Topic: Who has gotten an EPA/Exhaust noise ticket and how much was it?  (Read 2069 times)

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I didn't get one, but I am doing research for a review. Has anyone gotten an EPA ticket? I've heard they can be over $1000? Is that true?
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Interesting question.  EPA regulatory enforcement falls under the jurisdiction of the South Coast Air Quality Management District (SCAQMD).  You rarely see them driving around in anything other than white Prii.  I suppose that the CHP could be assisting them, but I doubt it.  They do on-site inspections at manufacturing plants, remediation sites and other places like that.

You should give them a call.  Or you could call some of the aftermarket pipe manufacturers while they're still here in California.   http://www.aqmd.gov/

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I just remember one guy posted about getting an EPA ticket from officer stout back in the day. I also heard the CHP are carry decibel readers and can write you up for noise? Not sure if it's just a fix it ticket or a major violation. Just wondering if anyone had first hand experience.
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Being that we're in California and it's something that effects the air quality, I'll assume it's a fix it ticket with $100,000,000 in fines and that anyone can write the ticket.

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I wish I could remember how much that guy said it was. I can't find the thread. it was a long time ago.
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I'm guessing that if you can't find people crying about it on the inter-webs than it can't happen all that often. Probably have to call attention to yourself and piss off a cop to get one of these tickets.
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It is a correctable equipment violation with the same fine as any other minor violation (~$320 or $25 fix it fee). However, CHP's normal MO is to mark all motorcycle equipment violations as non-correctable. A few years back the CA Supreme Court called them on that practice and said they can't do that but they still do it anyway. Doesn't matter too much since most judges and court clerks will let you fix-it without question.

There is no program for supplying, training, or calibrating decibel meters in CA. I've heard rumors of an agency or two using them, but the sound evidence could be easily dismissed in court. They don't need meters though. The code they normally use includes "unusual sound" which allows them to cite for anything they claim to be louder than normal.

Exhaust tickets are pretty rare, though. It's usually only the Officer Stout type, who are dedicated to zero tolerance motorcycle enforcement that will write them... unless you're running around bouncing off the rev limiter at 3am.
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probably write you for CVC  27151, 27150 (a), or 23130 (a)(2). 

But I'm not a cop so that's only based on a few mins of research.  There are ways to calculate the fine amount based on the bail schedule.


Sorry Andy I'm not that smart. How do I find that info?
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I'm guessing that if you can't find people crying about it on the inter-webs than it can't happen all that often. Probably have to call attention to yourself and piss off a cop to get one of these tickets.

Yes, I know it's rare. Basically, I'm trying to weigh the benefits of paying more for a legal exhaust against how much a fine would be for an illegal one. But if no one has had a problem, then I guess it's a moot point.
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It is a correctable equipment violation with the same fine as any other minor violation (~$320 or $25 fix it fee). However, CHP's normal MO is to mark all motorcycle equipment violations as non-correctable. A few years back the CA Supreme Court called them on that practice and said they can't do that but they still do it anyway. Doesn't matter too much since most judges and court clerks will let you fix-it without question.

There is no program for supplying, training, or calibrating decibel meters in CA. I've heard rumors of an agency or two using them, but the sound evidence could be easily dismissed in court. They don't need meters though. The code they normally use includes "unusual sound" which allows them to cite for anything they claim to be louder than normal.

Exhaust tickets are pretty rare, though. It's usually only the Officer Stout type, who are dedicated to zero tolerance motorcycle enforcement that will write them... unless you're running around bouncing off the rev limiter at 3am.

Right. I gotcha. Still, that sounds so unfair. I thought things had changed, but I guess not. What a bummer.
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My Yoshimura is very load especially above 5k rpm. Just do my best not to be to obnoxious about it.  :42:   

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I think the benefits to having a legal, and non-obnoxious, exhaust is not gathering police attention in the first place.  On the extreme case, the $320 fine times 2 would be justification enough to buy the legal and certified system.  On the flip side, even a $25 ticket for someone that could be cited for other violations (no license, illegal turn signals, etc.), or just doesn't like confronting LEO, would be enough to not have an obnoxious, shorty system that probably hasn't been tuned or dynoed, and has little or no performance benefit other than to annoy neighbors and look "cool" at bike nights. 
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Found the bail schedule:

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/criminal/pdf/misd.pdf

Looks like the most expensive is for a 'whistle tip.' Not sure what that is?

Anyway, I called the CHP and they said to their knowledge, no one is carrying a decibel meter (in Glendale area anyway). Since I'm not sure what's rumor or what isn't as far as cost goes, I think I'm going to stay away from mentioning this all together.
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Looks like the most expensive is for a 'whistle tip.' Not sure what that is?

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