Topic: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30  (Read 6766 times)

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Offline slipgatecentral

Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« on: 07/12/15 09:19AM »
Just couple minutes from Glendora
Looks like a head on with sedan, dark grey yamaha r1, followed by brand new 1299 panigale.
Yamaha rider is hurt but conscious, other one is fine.
Damn, watching all those crash vids is one thing,,but seiing it in person is gut wrenching.
Rider being airlifted

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #1 on: 07/12/15 11:41AM »
Live by the sword, die by the sword.  When will these types realize there's a time and place to ride like Rossi?  Street riding requires leaving more margin for error to account for autos on your favorite canyon road.

It's becoming too regular an occurrence.  My apologies, if that sounds too harsh.

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #2 on: 07/12/15 12:07PM »
Unless you know details of the accident, wouldn't it make sense to withhold judgment until you do ? 'These types' may or may not have been at fault.

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #3 on: 07/12/15 12:33PM »
Unless you know details of the accident, wouldn't it make sense to withhold judgment until you do ? 'These types' may or may not have been at fault.

Whether or not the bikers involved created their own problems, the fact remains: There's a time and a place for everything (aggressive riding). I was generalizing. I wasn't specifically referring to the bikers involved, hence my term "these types." As I said, it's prudent to ride with a margin of safety to make up for other idiot drivers OR bikers.. Take my advice, or don't. Has nothing to do with making judgements.

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #4 on: 07/12/15 01:07PM »
According to panigale rider, they were doing their 3rd run down GMR. When they were going through right hand blind turn, woman in silver sedan came around way over double yellow. R1 hit her head on, bike was pushed back where second rider hit it in the tank, breaking front fork.
She has a little girl in back seat, apparently scared and crying.

Man that was hard to watch..Stayed there to observe ER doing their stuff, until they cleared the road.

« Last Edit: 07/12/15 01:31PM by slipgatecentral »

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #5 on: 07/12/15 02:19PM »
Damn.....

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #6 on: 07/12/15 03:54PM »
Always sad. I hope everyone recovers.

A reminder to give myself that extra margin for error. It may not be enough in some cases, but it will be in most.

I remember coming around a blind turn and had a car doing a three point U-turn just on the exit... talk about a "yikes" moment! I always think about that when riding with limited visibility from any cause and adjust speed and lane position accordingly. Served me well for many decades since. Ride safe! Ride longer!
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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #7 on: 07/12/15 05:06PM »
This hits a little close to home as GMR is my favorite canyon road.  It was mentioned this was their third run, and given the early hour, they knew the surface was clean but one can never anticipate the moves of reckless or distracted cagers/riders.  Yes one should leave a magin for error, but who knows if there was any room to get around the hazard? 

I think I'll be taking the dual sport on the trails at least til the summer's over where hazards are minimal.
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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #8 on: 07/12/15 05:16PM »
Hope both riders recover.....any update on their condition?

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #9 on: 07/12/15 06:53PM »
That ish is gut wrenching...   Sorry you had to see it, Vadim.

Just spent the day working with a group of riders and that scenario came up.  How to avoid it in particular...  Hoping the rider will be okay.

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #10 on: 07/12/15 07:05PM »
That is very sad.

You can't really "avoid" such circumstances because you never know when it will come.

What you CAN do is limit your exposure to the probability of a mishap.  The first thing is to leave a margin for error by....wait for it...slowing down.  I know....I know!  We ride sport bikes and who wants to ride these things slow right?  I'm as guilty as the next guy.

The next thing you can do is to not keep repeating the same ride on THE SAME day.  On any given weekend these SoCal roads are chock full of sport bikers and Ricky Racers (I'm one of them).  Most are good riders.  But all you need is one rider who didn't listen to reason or thought his skills are high enough for the speeds.  Or maybe a good rider has a lapse in judgment and runs wide. We've seen the videos.  So don't keep riding up and down as if you're doing "laps" because the probability of encountering THAT GUY goes up quite a bit more if you do. 

Finally, you can just quit riding!  But where's the fun in that?    ;)

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #11 on: 07/12/15 07:57PM »
You can't really "avoid" such circumstances because you never know when it will come.

I could not disagree more.  I've encountered that same circumstance a number of times on GMR/GRR and yet I sit here and type this having avoided the head-on that each offered.  And I practically lived on GMR during the mid to late eighties through the mid-nineties.  I was there almost every weekend.

Learning means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of motorcycle owners.  I'm continually amazed...  Horsepower and speed continue to sell motorcycles.

Google "delayed apex line David Hough". 

Or don't.

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« Last Edit: 07/12/15 08:00PM by Snapshot »
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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #12 on: 07/12/15 08:26PM »
You can blame the riders all day long but assuming they were riding toward the camera position. They were either hugging the white line dragging knee or at least trying and the car was way over the line and unless they were going real slow 25 mph they were going to get hit. On the other hand they could have been doing as we are told and near the outside of the lane delaying the apex as long as possible so they could see the turn better, the car went wide and hit them again going real slow may have helped but no guarantee of that. At 8:30 in the morning traffic would be light and there crime was being on the mountain not what or how they were traveling. Get out and enjoy life or lock your self in your house make pancakes then sleep in your hammock all day. For me as soon as my body can tolerate it I'll be on GMR in the morning LIVING life the best way I know how, on two wheals with shit eating grin on my face :17:  :51:   

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #13 on: 07/12/15 08:48PM »
Get out and enjoy life or lock your self in your house make pancakes then sleep in your hammock all day.

I think the major part of the problem we have is that we live in Socal where there are millions of people.  On any given weekend, there are probably thousands of riders and even more drivers out and about, sharing the roads with us.  Multiply that by another 2x or 3x during the summer months.

Wouldn't it be nice to wake up in the morning at 9AM, enjoy those pancakes, sausages, and coffee, then head out in the middle of the day and encounter only a handful of cars?  Yeah.  That's the dream I'd like to live.  I'm thinking retiring in the Central Coast of California would do the trick.  Remember how empty those roads where?  And that was on a Saturday!  Now if I can only figure out how to make money AND live that life over there.  That's the hard part.   :'(

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #14 on: 07/12/15 08:51PM »
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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #15 on: 07/12/15 09:34PM »
Dang! was thinking of going up there today too

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #16 on: 07/12/15 10:32PM »
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I think the major part of the problem we have is that we live in Socal where there are millions of people.

Always a part of the calculation. To me there is nothing wrong with cruising through a blind turn at 25MPH or less. I have friends that race. Not my cup of tea. I enjoy the outdoors, the vistas and the occasional fun twisty. As I said, you can't avoid everything in life, but you can improve your odds if you want to.

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #17 on: 07/13/15 03:38AM »
First of All: Shame on the typical victim-blaming going on here. How dare those riders be on the correct side of the road and have a car driving in the wrong lane hit them head on in a blind corner! Shame on them! Comedians have even mocked almost this exact situation: "Why did you stop at that red light at let me rear-end you doing 80?!?" 

Thanks for sharing, slipgate.  What you experienced was a hard event to witness and be a part of.  I'm glad you weren't one of the bikes on the ground.

thepretender really summed my response up curtly; even with the typical I-told-you-so "slow it down, Ricky Racer" warning, this accident would have happened; wrong place, wrong time.  The riders involved in the accident were on their third round and had also scouted the road for debris, but they can't plan for a driver on the wrong side of the road in a blind turn.

Rogue brought up a valid statistical point, Snapshot.  The law of large numbers comes into play here.  Are there even any Orange Groves left in Orange County?  Driving through them wasn't as crowded, either.

I went to GMR at ~1300 and saw the dirt soaking up the oil. I'm glad that I scouted the route on the way up and noted the dirt patch. If I was coming from Azusa I would have likely lost it coming around the corner.  As you're gliding around the blind carousel down the hill (15-35mph turn), there's a huge risk of washing out on that dirt... Repairs are rare on the road so that turn will claim victim to other motorcyclists within the week...

I can't wait for the track guys to manipulate this opportunity to shower us with their divine knowledge and barrage us with the "keep it to the track! No possible way you'll get hurt there! Be sure to join my corporation's track day for the best ____" speech.
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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #18 on: 07/13/15 05:03AM »
Klaus,

What you see as victim blaming on my part (as well as on BCMC's) is simply the expression of our frustration.  We both know that there are idiot cagers on the road and we both work hard to avoid getting nailed by them.  It's difficult for us to understand why others don't.  You could say that we're as much victims of our experience as anyone is. 

I still remember the screams from the various people whose incidents I've witnessed.  They're not happy making.

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Re: Accident at GMR, July 12, around 8:30
« Reply #19 on: 07/13/15 06:30AM »
Klaus,

The picture alone is difficult to view  :5:.

As was my case when I hit the asphalt  :17: at 65 MPH...................A woman driver @ fault.


 

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