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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #1 on: 12/04/15 07:08PM »
Very good read, can't wait
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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #2 on: 12/04/15 11:52PM »
I have to be honest: as a long time MotoGP fan, last year left a bitter taste in my mouth. My favorite rider had his title refused by penalty. Even in 2006, there were fans that felt Nicky Hayden won the title by default because Valentino Rossi and Loris Capirossi both has miserable last 4 rounds with mechanical issues. I can live with that.
But two Spanish riders in a Spanish sponsored series (Dorna), primarily funded by a Spanish oil company (Repsol) worked in concert to deny another rider his fair and reasonable ride for the title is difficult to accept.
They need to win my loyalty back. JL99 is a faux champion. Many FB posts on his page and MM93's page seem to agree. 

That said, I like the racing posts Chris. My beef is certainly not with you dude. Thank you for keeping the dialog open and going.

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #3 on: 12/05/15 09:21AM »
I've been a long time GP fan too. I agree, the Rossi decision was messed up. A ruling made in the Dorna office shouldn't have decided the championship -- that should have happened on the track.

My other beef is that we only have 1 US round now. That blows! I really miss Laguna.

With that said, I may be making the journey to Austin again this year. Can't wait for the 2016 season to start.  :42:

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« Reply #4 on: 12/05/15 10:15AM »
Great article Chris. :7: It actually got me pumped for next season despite this last one's ending. So Honda actually had a traction control system that analyzed the rear tire degradation during a race, and adjusted the throttle imput for maximum tire life. Glad that's getting stripped! Put it all on the rider and their machine...takeout the computer programmer as much as possible.
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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #5 on: 12/05/15 11:55AM »
If you take away the last two races this past season was one of the best seasons MotoGP has ever had. That's the real reason to watch next season. In my experience rule changes don't generally end up leading to better racing. One team is almost always able to get to grips with the new rules quicker than other teams and runs away with it. While the tyres/ECU may close the gap between factory and private teams I think the racing is going to actually suffer a bit.

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #6 on: 12/05/15 05:03PM »
If you take away the last two races this past season was one of the best seasons MotoGP has ever had.

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #7 on: 12/05/15 09:53PM »
I've been a long time GP fan too. I agree, the Rossi decision was messed up. A ruling made in the Dorna office shouldn't have decided the championship -- that should have happened on the track.

My other beef is that we only have 1 US round now. That blows! I really miss Laguna.

With that said, I may be making the journey to Austin again this year. Can't wait for the 2016 season to start.  :42:



Keep going to Laguna Seca. The world superbike racing is great and anyone of three to four brands can win a race. MotoGp as the article pointed out is only a two horse show. I love watching MotoGp but it is similar to F1, only a few haves and the rest are have nots, a little boring Imho.

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #8 on: 12/05/15 09:55PM »
If you take away the last two races this past season was one of the best seasons MotoGP has ever had. That's the real reason to watch next season. In my experience rule changes don't generally end up leading to better racing. One team is almost always able to get to grips with the new rules quicker than other teams and runs away with it. While the tyres/ECU may close the gap between factory and private teams I think the racing is going to actually suffer a bit.

Well put. I'm still trying to get that end of the season out of my head. But I think you're on the right track.

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #9 on: 12/06/15 03:46AM »
Prediction:  If electronics are more so even, then I will say the Yamaha engine will help Rossi and Lorenzo win the title.  This reminds me of 2004 when Rossi switched to Yamaha.  That engine was great until electronics caught up to it.

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #10 on: 12/07/15 11:07AM »

The 2015 ending left a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth as well but other than that, it was an awesome season! I hope VR is competitive again in 2016; given his experience level, I would think so.  No matter what changes they make, VR can adapt to anything.  It will be interesting to see how the Honda's perform with this change.

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« Reply #11 on: 12/07/15 09:48PM »
^ I'm eager to see how Honda does too. There's no doubt Marquez is a talented rider (hate him now though). I'm wanting to see how he stacks up without the tire degradation electronics. It's like in Formula 1 a few years back. Vettel was on route to his 4th championship in a row, when all the other drivers started shouting, "traction control," which was banned a few years earlier. Of course Redbull denied it, but it turned out they had a traction control system that "worked around" the letter of the rules. It was banned. The next year Vettel struggled and was outperformed by his "lesser" team mate, then the following year changed to Ferrari. Will Marquez be another Vettel? Make excuse after excuse why he now can't run with the other guys (outside of ever admitting he relied on Honda's great electronics)? Or, will he smoke everyone and prove he is as good as he thinks he is?

And if it does come down to engine, there was one manufacturer that everyone cried about because they simply out powered the field. Remember Texas?  :46:
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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #12 on: 12/08/15 09:08AM »

Well, one thing is for sure.  MM will give it another 110%, crashing included  :32:

I believe the Ducati grunt will come to an end in 2016 as well?  Can't remember if it was ECU or fuel tank size related?

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #13 on: 12/09/15 03:21PM »

Well, one thing is for sure.  MM will give it another 110%, crashing included  :32:

I believe the Ducati grunt will come to an end in 2016 as well?  Can't remember if it was ECU or fuel tank size related?
Fuel tank size. Without the full capability of the "torductor" for honda, it will be interesting how the races turn on. I cannot wait for the first race.

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #14 on: 12/10/15 02:59PM »

Can't wait for the season to start either.  I don't know what to do with my random free hour LOL

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #15 on: 12/10/15 03:33PM »

No matter what changes they make, VR can adapt to anything. 

Except a Ducati!

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #16 on: 12/10/15 04:21PM »

No matter what changes they make, VR can adapt to anything. 

Except a Ducati!

Yea, those POS like to go fast in a straight line but don't like turning so much LOL

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #17 on: 01/06/16 03:46PM »
Suzuki found something new to try with the GSX-R1000...

Centripetal actuated variable valve timing...

http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/suzukis-new-gsx-r1000-is-engineered-around-a-loophole-i-1751372078?rev=1452123201861

Apparently the rules only state that hydraulic and electrical actuated VVT aren't allowed, but doesn't limit mechanical actuation...

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« Reply #18 on: 01/06/16 07:37PM »
Suzuki found something new to try with the GSX-R1000...

Centripetal actuated variable valve timing...

http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/suzukis-new-gsx-r1000-is-engineered-around-a-loophole-i-1751372078?rev=1452123201861

Apparently the rules only state that hydraulic and electrical actuated VVT aren't allowed, but doesn't limit mechanical actuation...

interesting article and method. First thought is that this mechanical system can't be as accurate as the other methods, but still has to be better than nothing. :26: How long until Honda starts crying about this?  :32:

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Re: MotoGP 2016
« Reply #19 on: 06/02/16 09:04AM »
Yamaha released info regarding the engine failures at Mugello:

“After the technical problems in Mugello the two defective engines were returned to YMC for investigation. Following our detailed investigation of the engines, telemetry data and related systems we found the cause of the failures. The failures were caused by an electronic issue related to the rev limiter which ultimately resulted in valve and piston damage. The cause for both Jorge‘s and Valentino‘s engine failures was the same. To be clear, there was neither an engine component nor a structural failure, it was purely an electronic control issue,” said Kouji Tsuya.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2016/06/02/yamaha-shed-light-on-mugello-technical-incident/202496

 

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