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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #20 on: 06/20/16 11:54AM »
No more wings on bikes starting next season. Lorenzo will ride the duc like Rossi couldnt, but stoner could. Lorenzo > Rossi

In support of this position I will say this; isn't Lorenzo amazing in qualifying and super fast right from the start?
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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #21 on: 06/20/16 03:45PM »
No more wings on bikes starting next season. Lorenzo will ride the duc like Rossi couldnt, but stoner could. Lorenzo > Rossi

In support of this position I will say this; isn't Lorenzo amazing in qualifying and super fast right from the start?

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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #22 on: 06/21/16 09:35PM »
I say 3rd. Hes smooth, but might need time getting used to that power plant of a bike. Hes very competitive and im sure he would want to show Rossi, Stoner, etc that he can perform well.

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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #23 on: 04/11/17 11:35AM »
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So, what is going to happen to Lorenzo?  Well, I think the same thing is going to happen to JL that has happened to every single rider that has ridden for Ducati. JL is going to end up fighting a weird bike that doesn't turn and washes the front without warning and when he asks for updates or improvements, nothing will happen or they will add more wings.  JL is not AD.  JL expects wins.  AD hopes for them (no disrespect).   So, fast forward into the 2017 season and the wins aren't coming, the press won't stop asking questions, JL is getting (unfairly) destroyed on his social media, now he's sinking down the leaderboard...  Yeah, this is a case of JL spiraling madness just waiting to happen.  As time goes on, he's going to become increasingly frustrated with the bike and the team and the factory, etc. and it's gonna start getting ugly.
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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #24 on: 04/11/17 02:53PM »
Lets see where we are so far -

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Pos.   Rider   Bike   Nation   Points
1   Maverick VIÑALES   Yamaha   SPA   50
2   Valentino ROSSI   Yamaha   ITA   36
3   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   Ducati   ITA   20
4   Scott REDDING   Ducati   GBR   17
5   Cal CRUTCHLOW   Honda   GBR   16
6   Jonas FOLGER   Yamaha   GER   16
7   Jack MILLER   Honda   AUS   15
8   Marc MARQUEZ   Honda   SPA   13
9   Alvaro BAUTISTA   Ducati   SPA   13
10   Dani PEDROSA   Honda   SPA   11
11   Johann ZARCO   Yamaha   FRA   11
12   Aleix ESPARGARO   Aprilia   SPA   10
13   Danilo PETRUCCI   Ducati   ITA   9
14   Loris BAZ   Ducati   FRA   9
15   Karel ABRAHAM   Ducati   CZE   8
16   Alex RINS   Suzuki   SPA   7
17   Hector BARBERA   Ducati   SPA   6
18   Jorge LORENZO   Ducati   SPA   5
19   Tito RABAT   Honda   SPA   5
20   Pol ESPARGARO   KTM   SPA   2
21   Bradley SMITH   KTM   GBR   1
22   Andrea IANNONE   Suzuki   ITA   
23   Sam LOWES   Aprilia   GBR   

I think Vinales has been a huge surprise so far. Me might do what MM93 did in his rookie year. JL99 isn't even the fastest Ducati rider. Rossi is Rossi. However, I suspect he will be less friendly with Vinales if the kid continues to outshine him. I think MM93's crash last weekend was a direct result of Vinales. I think Marc doesn't believe a 2 second lead is enough to hold off Vinales over the course of the race. I have no special insight, that's 100% personal opinion.   


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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #25 on: 04/18/17 09:55AM »
Damn lorenzo....

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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #26 on: 04/18/17 12:43PM »
Not one to feed the rumor mill normally but there was this story

http://www.motorbikefans.com/ducati-consider-lorenzo-resignation-spaniards-advance/
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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #27 on: 04/18/17 07:09PM »
If it's not too late to weigh in, my prediction is 8th.  I think he'll get accustomed to riding the Duc, but will never truly master it.

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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #28 on: 04/19/17 07:26PM »
No worries, you're in Tim! Given what I see now, I would pick JL99 for 8th this year as well.

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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #29 on: 04/19/17 07:29PM »
Not one to feed the rumor mill normally but there was this story

http://www.motorbikefans.com/ducati-consider-lorenzo-resignation-spaniards-advance/


Interesting read. The Ducati ride might last even less than Rossi's tour. For what it's worth, Rossi had his career worst two years on the Ducati. However, he was still always the fastest Ducati. JL99 isn't even faster than the satellite guys. He's miserable already.

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« Reply #30 on: 04/20/17 01:13PM »
P8 for JL is now a pipe dream. 

Because of how the points works, I believe JL has to finish much higher than 8th most of the rest of the season to overhaul the deficit... that's not going to happen. 

We are probably looking at something outside the top 10... maybe P12? P14? give or take

By now, he's had all the official and private tests as well as all the free practices/q sessions which is way more than enough time to go through every setting on the bike, which they of course have already done.  JL now knows the bike is a dud and it doesn't matter what settings they go through, the bike needs to be re-engineered.  What they are all hoping for is that some magic setting will allow JL to "click" with the bike at a certain track at a certain temperature, etc.  ... but like P8, that's not gonna happen.

I'm pretty sure Ducati are gonna be done with grand prix after the JL fiasco... look for GiGi to resign at the end of JL's stint and for Ducati to announce the factory is leaving the series with a handful of leftover satellite bikes getting "factory support" for a year or two until they are completely gone.  The Panigale still hasn't won the title after like 5 years in WSBK so they can go beg Dorna for another 200cc and see if they can't beat the Kawis lol.

EDIT: I forgot about the rumors that Ducati are finally going to put a V4 into their superbikes (old but new rumor?), so maybe they will take their desmo and homologate it and try to get the WSBK title that way... something like a Desmo SP2 100K version to meet regs.

Here's an interesting question... If JL went to HRC instead, do you think he would only have 5 points after 2 races?  Even though he's been riding an M1 for ever?
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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #31 on: 04/21/17 06:33AM »
Given what I've seen, it's difficult to argue the above. ^^

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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #32 on: 04/22/17 04:55PM »
Well, I'm sure it'll take a little more to get the hang of the Duc completely but he did make 6th on the grid today. Had to go through Q1 to get there but he made it happen.
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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #33 on: 04/26/17 03:04PM »
Here's an interesting question... If JL went to HRC instead, do you think he would only have 5 points after 2 races?  Even though he's been riding an M1 for ever?

No way. If JL was on a Honda, he probably would have been somewhere around P3 after 2 races. I say this as a JL hater. :) I don't think the differences between the Honda and the Yamaha are nearly as big as the differences between the M1 and the Duc.

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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #34 on: 04/28/17 07:57AM »
This is a very good read! Lorenzo talks about his challenges with the Duc. Really interesting how he thinks rear breaking explains why Mav is doing so well on the M1.
http://www.sportrider.com/motogp-lorenzo-speaks-out-on-ducati?src=SOC&dom=fb#page-32

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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #35 on: 06/11/17 03:57PM »
Curious where everybody thinks JL will finish 2017 after his first year on the Ducati.

Post your prediction if you dare.

I'll go on record with somewhere between P6 and P8.

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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #36 on: 06/12/17 10:04AM »
JL now knows the bike is a dud

2 victories in 7 days.  Nice result for a dud  :17:
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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #37 on: 06/12/17 10:31AM »
JL now knows the bike is a dud

2 victories in 7 days.  Nice result for a dud  :17:
Yet, even Dovi will admit he was surprised with bot of his wins! ;)

In all seriousness, I think given the right circumstances, it can finish well, point being the last 2 races but I don't think they're quite there yet. Dovi continues to be somewhat passive aggressive with his remarks about the bike. JL is gaining confidence and his P2 position at the start of the Catalunya race and his P4 finish, is a sign that he's starting to get a little more familiar/comfortable on the Duc. Contrary to what I had said earlier about Dovi, he actually thew a wrench in the points standings on my guess on JL's position, as did Dani Pedrosa and of all riders, Johan Zarco! We are now 1/3 into the season and as most people will say, even the riders, it's still too early to tell and ANYTHING can happen in racing.
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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #38 on: 07/13/17 11:30AM »
I think he will do better than expected, 3rd just a tad ahead of Vinales.

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Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
« Reply #39 on: 07/13/17 04:56PM »
I think he will do better than expected, 3rd just a tad ahead of Vinales.

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