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2017 CBR1000RR - Official Announcement
« on: 09/15/16 12:16PM »
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/cbr1000rr-spy-shots.html

Speculations about regarding the hardware underneath.  Still an inline four though and still 1,000cc.  At least we know what it will look like now, an evolution of the 2016 model.

All I can say is that Euro-4 Emissions is forcing everyone to put a BFM (big f**king muffler) on all their bikes.  They already ruined the Panigale's beautifully integrated under engine design.  And just when I thought manufacturers have gone to putting smaller, nicer looking mufflers on their bikes either under the engine or under the seat (my preference), we are back to the year 2000 again with these big, low slung mufflers.   ::)

Lack of a Balance-Free front fork:  Not sure how much better that is to the Big Piston front forks that is currently proliferating from Showa. 

The 2012-2016 1000RR already has a Balance-Free rear shock for improved traction and smoother transition from compression to rebound.  I have no idea how the latter feels but I'm thinking.....better.  LOL!  I only know what I know right?

My guess is though, Honda will follow their current rule of thumb:  Quality versus Quantity.  Quality of power means ultra-smooth throttle response and the ability to use available power.  180 rwhp is nice to have just in case you have to dust off that pesky Tesla S P90D or that Challenger Hellcat.  Although in the real world you can do that already with 150 rwhp sport bike.

We shall see.  In the meantime, deals for the 2012-2016 CBR1000RR's are all over!  Hmmmmm...... :17:
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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR Spy Photos
« Reply #1 on: 09/15/16 03:17PM »
No flying V from the side but a cool under cowl  , the spokes look pincy ass .
Would like the red white and blue scheme .
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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR Spy Photos
« Reply #2 on: 09/15/16 08:06PM »
You mean the tri-color?



Oh yeah.

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR Spy Photos
« Reply #3 on: 09/16/16 10:42AM »
Little tweak from the 08 technology and for that I'd rather buy an 08 1000rr, wait for 2017 convention kit, 2017 subframe, 2017 engine cases and wheels and have a similar bike instead of spending 14-15k for a 2017. On the other side of coin I'm still holding my breath for the "Other" bike.

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR Spy Photos
« Reply #4 on: 09/16/16 12:07PM »
While there is nothing wrong with your suggestion of buying an older model and modding it, keep in mind the 2008's and maybe early '09's too had a piston slap problem (incorrect fitting pistons) that caused higher than normal oil consumption.  Honda had to rebuild some engines under warranty back then. So going for a 2010 would be better.

There was also a significant upgrade in 2012 when the 1,000RR got the BP front fork and Balance-Free rear shock, new more aerodynamic bodywork, 12-spoke wheels, revised ram-air tuning, revised ECU tuning for more midrange and smoother throttle response, and it also got a new all digital instrument cluster.

These bikes are evolutions of a proven formula.  I test rode a low mileage 2001 CBR929RR and that bike felt just about as good as a new bike.  Smooth throttle response, strong brakes, slick transmission, quick steering, a beautiful gear whine from the engine, it was really that good back then already.  A simple refreshing of that bike's suspension would turn it into a very satisfying bike to ride fast.

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR Spy Photos
« Reply #5 on: 09/16/16 01:00PM »
Though it shouldn't matter unless your on the track if the HP #s aren't north of 200 they won't gain market share.

Hopefully the make that V4 supper-bike thats been rumored for years so Nicky Hayden can win next year, but won't mean much to most of us it will be in limited numbers and 60 grand.
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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR Spy Photos
« Reply #6 on: 09/16/16 04:25PM »
200 bhp.....impressive indeed.  But it's kind of like the Challenger Hellcat with its 700+ bhp motor:  It's of no use unless you can hook it up.  On the Hellcat, it just spins its rear tires.  Burnout at will so to speak.  On a literbike, you need electronics to keep the rider from overdoing it.  So realistically, the electronics limit the power to protect the rider (and bike) from himself. 

I think Honda agrees (at least until now).  In 2012, and likewise in the SP model, Honda emphasized midrange, traction, and rider control.  Smooth throttle response, the ability to put the available power down sooner on corner exit, minimize dive/squat, more midrange, these are all qualities that allow you to enjoy that bike on the street AND ride it very fast in the twisties with more confidence.  Honda was so confident they didn't fit their bikes with any type of electronic aids.  I love that kind of discipline and confidence. 

But you're right.  the above does NOT sell liter bikes.  It does not garner rave reviews in comparison tests either.   

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR Spy Photos
« Reply #7 on: 09/16/16 07:57PM »
I grew up loving Honda. For the last several years, they just don't even come close to doing it for me with any bike they make. And it's not a "I ride a Ducati so snob Japanese bikes" thing; there's several Kaw's, Yam's, and Suzuki's I would buy tomorrow, but not one new model Honda (although I'll take an African Twin if you gave me one).

And to touch on what Pretender and Rogue were saying: 200hp bikes would be fun as hell to own, but not really necessary. But I agree, guys who buy a liter sport bike want "the baddest" bike they can get (for the most part) and those big horse power numbers are what sales. I know my riding style tends to put me in the midrange in the canyons (4K-8k; rarely I'll hit over 9k). So how many horses am I really using? 100-140? Stock is claimed 163hp just before the redline falloff. And, to be honest, that's more than enough, but I'd gladly take the "uncorked" computer remapping boost up to 191. Even then, every good rider on a cbr600 would still smoke me in the canyons! (Speaking of being smoked, ever have one of "those guys" on a BMW GS1200 dual sport with sticky tires bitch you in the twisties? What's the horse power numbers for those bikes? As we all know, it's not the bike it's the rider.)

My point being, Honda could put out this bike with say 175hp, but with great handling and great brakes and they could dominate the local canyons. But, during the "shootout reviews," the track times would suffer (because every test track has long straights to highlight horsepower) and it wouldn't be a "200hp bike" so they would never sale 5,000 of them.

Post like this is what happens when I drink coffee after 6:00pm. I blame Stella.  :30:

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR Spy Photos
« Reply #8 on: 09/16/16 08:34PM »
My dream bike would be the CBR1000RR SP.  Great looks, topline suspension, balanced and blueprinted motor, sublime goodness in my opinion.  But hey I'll settle for a 2012-2016 1000RR!  That would be plenty of bike for me.

In reality, the VFR and CBR600RR is plenty of bike for me!  LOL!  I can ride them fast enough for my liking.  They would probably be somewhat lacking if I were constantly chasing fast guys on liter bikes on a fast road.  Its hard to beat having tons of midrange on corner exit that's for sure.  That's why it's so damn hard to pass slow riders on midrange-rich bikes!  LOL!  When they exit they're able to just catapult to the next corner!  You just can't do that without the displacement.  Not at that level.  You have to pass them on braking or mid-corner.

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR Spy Photos
« Reply #9 on: 10/04/16 12:21PM »
Here she is.

Three versions, standard, SP, and SP2. 

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/2017-honda-cbr1000rr-sp-and-sp2-unveiling.html

This is the SP model.

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR - Official Announcement
« Reply #10 on: 10/04/16 01:27PM »
Here she is.

Three versions, standard, SP, and SP2. 

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/2017-honda-cbr1000rr-sp-and-sp2-unveiling.html

This is the SP model.


Quick shifter with adjustable up/down shift and auto-blip feature -
Öhlins electronic controlled suspension -
Titanium exhaust and gas tank -
Brembo lean sensitive ABS -
Marchesini wheels -
Lithium battery -
HESD -


Now the only decision is what dealership gets my money.
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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR - Official Announcement
« Reply #11 on: 10/04/16 01:53PM »
Quick shifter with adjustable up/down shift and auto-blip feature. 

Very nice.  About time too.

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR - Official Announcement
« Reply #12 on: 10/04/16 03:07PM »
Quick shifter with adjustable up/down shift and auto-blip feature. 

Very nice.  About time too.
Added to the list, thank you

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR - Official Announcement
« Reply #13 on: 10/04/16 03:33PM »
All this electronic shit.  Lots of sensors.  Lots of wires and added complexity.  I'm not sure if I want all that (I know they're all nice to have).  If I break down exactly what I like about my bikes, they come out not needing to be that complicated. 

Fast
Lightweight
Handles great
Smooth and refined
Reliable
Looks great
Easy to maintain

I can get that from any of the CBR's starting with the 929RR circa 2000.  Fresh coat of paint, new brake pads, refresh the suspension, viola!  All of the above requirements met.  LOL!

Not that I would say no to a 2017 CBR1000RR! 

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR - Official Announcement
« Reply #14 on: 10/04/16 06:19PM »
Still not a lover of inline 4s, but that's just me maybe. Here's Nicky Hayden taking it for a spin...

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR - Official Announcement
« Reply #15 on: 10/04/16 06:35PM »
OMG!  I want to slide my bike like that!  LOL!

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR - Official Announcement
« Reply #16 on: 10/05/16 07:28PM »
I really enjoy backing in and riding the rear out of curves also. The 2015 SP's disappeared from Cycle Trader a week after mine appeared at my dealership.
Owned a 2009 REPSOL. Fueling was poor below 5000 rpm and the rear shock would squat into the corner and slowly pop up beyond the exit. Otherwise it was wonderfully precise and fast. Sharp knife!
Owned a 2012 Tricolor. Fueling was from idle and no hang-up in the rear shock. Suspension was pillowy precise. Very sharp knife!
2015 Repsol SP. Road scalpel. Beware,front brake pads are $350 and stock tires are $800 a set. I favor Bridgestone anyway.
Not a big fan of the electronics myself,skills and technique instead. I'd be looking for the off switch for all of these functions.

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR - Official Announcement
« Reply #17 on: 10/09/16 10:18AM »
I really enjoy backing in and riding the rear out of curves also. The 2015 SP's disappeared from Cycle Trader a week after mine appeared at my dealership.
Owned a 2009 REPSOL. Fueling was poor below 5000 rpm and the rear shock would squat into the corner and slowly pop up beyond the exit. Otherwise it was wonderfully precise and fast. Sharp knife!
Owned a 2012 Tricolor. Fueling was from idle and no hang-up in the rear shock. Suspension was pillowy precise. Very sharp knife!
2015 Repsol SP. Road scalpel. Beware,front brake pads are $350 and stock tires are $800 a set. I favor Bridgestone anyway.
Not a big fan of the electronics myself,skills and technique instead. I'd be looking for the off switch for all of these functions.
To each their own. I was anti electronics for a long time, mostly because the first iterations I rode were not that great. After spending some time on the S1000RR I can confidently state that with 200hp beasts, they are a blessing. If electronics did not help you ride faster, smother, and with more confidence please explain to me why EVERY MotoGP racer uses them. If I'm spending $20k for a motorcycle I want to be able to enjoy as much of its performance as possible, and for the vast majority of us who are not world class sport bike racers, the electronics afford us the ability to get that much closer. I think many people would be amazed at how minimal the weight gain and complexity of the sensors are. With the ability to fully adjust the dynamics its only a positive enhancement in my eyes.

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Re: 2017 CBR1000RR - Official Announcement
« Reply #18 on: 10/09/16 01:20PM »
After spending some time on the S1000RR I can confidently state that with 200hp beasts, they are a blessing.

I will agree with you there.  It does add to the maximum enjoyment of such powerful bikes especially if you take these bikes at the track.

On the street, probably the rain mode and anti-lock brakes would be of most use. 


 

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