Topic: Single Rider on a can-am Spyder in the HOV/Diamond Lane. Legal or not?  (Read 1563 times)

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Offline mikeK6Gsxr600

Discuss.

google hits are going back and forth.

I see one guy on the 605 from time to time riding solo on his cam-am and thought. That cant be legal since you dont need a motorcycle endorsement ro ride those things....
so its not a motorcycle.
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Now i see more posts saying its legal....wtf!!
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Regardless, doesn't really gain you much in most grid lock situations.
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California considers it a motorcycle so of course its legal.
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I would rock a Polaris slingshot in the carpool lane

Even if a can am wasn't legal, I stopped patrolling it on my bike. Non HOV eligible people are in there daily...I see top-down Jaguars with a single occupant (kinda hard to hide that one)... can't do much about it

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Those things are the most useless things ever. Why not just get a Miata? Safer and more comfortable. Why anyone would prefer being in an ATV for the streets is beyond me. A Motorcycle is way more practical, faster, way WAY more maneuverable, easier to park, can split lanes, etc.

Iíve seen assholes in panel trucks driving on the HOV alone. Like anything else in our society, if thereís no enforcement douchebags will take advantage of it. As a society we just do NOT obey common courtesy and sensible rules.

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If I'm going to be in traffic out in the open, I'd better be able to split lanes.  That's like dating a hot supermodel and not being able to unzip your pants; must be frustrating as hell!!


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Yes, it's legal. I think the Slingshot is too.

The rest of this thread is completely off topic. Going to hate on Harley-Davidson and Goldwing trike conversions too? Let people ride what they want. If it's not for you, that's fine. Ride what you want. Stop hating.

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On the 105, with its wide carpool lanes, i have even seen full size Harley trikes split lanes. Doesn't look right and eventually the lane narrows and they fall back in line. Not enough of them out there to worry about one way or the other.
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Why legal? Is it considered more bike than car?

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If there is no special license to drive it then itís a car.  I remember reading the reason for the HOV lane is to encourage people to carpool AND reduce traffic and exhaust emissions. Since bikes are able to filter in CA, allowing them on the HOV helps to reduce traffic AND reduce emissions. So allowing 3 wheeled razors on the HOV lanes goes against the intent of the HOV in the first place. It is in the same vein as allowing hybrids in it for the first two years. Nowadays with all the traffic in SoCal the HOV has lost some of its effectiveness.  Iím even more convinced today that the most effective way to avoid the traffic is to ride a motorcycle. Even in the worst traffic conditions a motorcycle is able to use the space that is otherwise unused 99% of the time. The only thing better is flying.

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"If there is no special license to drive it then itís a car." This is opinion not a fact. :)
Can-am's and Slingshots are both motorcycles in California and you don't need a motorcycle license to operate either one.

If they should or violate the sprit of the HOV lane is a mater of opinion. I don't care is mine, the number of them on the road is a statistical blip on the map as to make them irrelevant to most any conversation.  Live and let live just go out and ride  :17:
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I can play this game. 

So if we just ignore the letter of the law and focus on the spirit of the HOV law, then a Razor or it's bigger brother the Slingshot, and a hybrid (for the first two years) being operated by a single person really does not belong in the HOV lane.  Remember the spirit of the law for HOV are:

1)  Reduce traffic congestion by encouraging people to carpool (High Occupancy Vehicle definition)
2)  Reduce exhaust emissions by eliminating more cars on the road
3)  Allow motorcycles (two wheels) because they take up a fraction of the space of a car AND gets way better emissions than a car, as well as encourage people to ride a bike therefore reducing traffic congestion.

A razor has three wheels and takes up as much space as a small car.  If a Razor being operating by one person can use the HOV lane, then why not a Smart Car?  Smart Car might in fact get better fuel efficiency and even take up less room front to back!  Where do we draw the line.

Is this ok to ride in the carpool lane?  Looks like fun and I'm not hating them.  But my point is it pretty much violates the intent of the HOV lane.
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Yup...I tried to beat CA traffic with an HOV eligible truck but most days it's still not much faster than regular lanes. The 22 east -> 5 south on a single exit ramp takes awhile...then when you merge with traffic it's still no HOV

On the 405s between seal Beach and bake parkway, it's still pretty backed up in the HOV lane at times

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If you don't like the exceptions to the carpool laws then write your representative.  I appreciate the carpool access for my plug-in hybrid that gets 55 mpg without trying and emits no emissions for at least 38 miles/day, sure it might not save time every drive but it does generally move when the other lanes might not.  A better way to get all traffic flowing: The CHP should do more to enforce distracted driving laws, ticket left-lane campers, and cite carpool violators who probably cause more of a back-up and put motorcyclists at risk due to their poor planning and erratic driving.

Rogue, are you confusing the Polaris RZR with the Can-Am Spyder?  The Razor is a side-by-side, 4 wheel UTV.  The Spyder is the tandem seat, three-wheeled, reverse trike thing. :7:
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If there is no special license to drive it then itís a car.  I remember reading the reason for the HOV lane is to encourage people to carpool AND reduce traffic and exhaust emissions. Since bikes are able to filter in CA, allowing them on the HOV helps to reduce traffic AND reduce emissions. So allowing 3 wheeled razors on the HOV lanes goes against the intent of the HOV in the first place. It is in the same vein as allowing hybrids in it for the first two years. Nowadays with all the traffic in SoCal the HOV has lost some of its effectiveness.  Iím even more convinced today that the most effective way to avoid the traffic is to ride a motorcycle. Even in the worst traffic conditions a motorcycle is able to use the space that is otherwise unused 99% of the time. The only thing better is flying.

I've been commuting on the same stretch of the 405 for a little over 7 years now and I agree, HOV lane has become worthless.  I didn't used to have to split lanes on my morning commute; now I have to split almost the entire way.

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Speaking of 405....any idea what the project that is going near Sand Canyon area?


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Rogue, are you confusing the Polaris RZR with the Can-Am Spyder?  The Razor is a side-by-side, 4 wheel UTV.  The Spyder is the tandem seat, three-wheeled, reverse trike thing. :7:

You're right I'm mistaking the Razor for the Can Am Spider.


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I've been commuting on the same stretch of the 405 for a little over 7 years now and I agree, HOV lane has become worthless.  I didn't used to have to split lanes on my morning commute; now I have to split almost the entire way.

The city of Irvine has 250k people in it.  Ever ride around there?  The traffic is horrendous even on the surface streets.  I believe this population explosion in Irvine, as well as the far south Orange County (Ladera Ranch, Rancho Mission Viejo, Talega in San Clemente, have also caused the traffic on the I-5 to and from San Diego to become an nightmare.  The HOV lanes are simply overwhelmed like all the other lanes.

If ever there was an evacuation order for South County, we are screwed.  Better to just hop on a boat or a helicopter.  First you have to reach the docks/airport.

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It has gotten pretty crazy everywhere.  Not too familiar with Irvine though; my commuting is mainly 405 north of HB.


I've been commuting on the same stretch of the 405 for a little over 7 years now and I agree, HOV lane has become worthless.  I didn't used to have to split lanes on my morning commute; now I have to split almost the entire way.

The city of Irvine has 250k people in it.  Ever ride around there?  The traffic is horrendous even on the surface streets.  I believe this population explosion in Irvine, as well as the far south Orange County (Ladera Ranch, Rancho Mission Viejo, Talega in San Clemente, have also caused the traffic on the I-5 to and from San Diego to become an nightmare.  The HOV lanes are simply overwhelmed like all the other lanes.

If ever there was an evacuation order for South County, we are screwed.  Better to just hop on a boat or a helicopter.  First you have to reach the docks/airport.

 

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