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Title: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Parc Ferme on 06/15/16 12:12PM
Curious where everybody thinks JL will finish 2017 after his first year on the Ducati.

Post your prediction if you dare.

I'll go on record with somewhere between P6 and P8.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: luciano136 on 06/15/16 05:39PM

5th.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: CBRunyan on 06/15/16 08:18PM
5th. MM93, Pedrosa, Rossi, Vinales; although not necessarily in that order.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: thepretender on 06/15/16 09:10PM
I think he will do better than expected, 3rd just a tad ahead of Vinales.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: OOTV on 06/16/16 09:09AM
I'm going to say P3 or P4. He's a great rider and considering who's on the factory Duc's at the moment, there isn't a one to one comparison IMO. Dovi, although a good rider, hasn't really been as consistent and Iannone is too over anxious and seems to torpedo out of the race before he can really do anything, some will blame the bike and I get that but not all blame can be placed there IMO. Lorenzo on the other hand is a "machine" look at his track times and records, if he can get the bike tailored to his riding style or adapt to the Duc's, I think he'll do really well.

As for the usual suspects, I do anticipate MM and VR to be up front and I also see Maverick getting a podium or two, maybe even the top step!

I should note that I am not a fan of Lorenzo but can fully appreciate and respect his talents.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Scott on 06/16/16 10:39AM
I think some of you forget a few years ago when the Honda's just dominated and the Yamaha's were clearly a second class bike... On pure talent alone, Lorenzo was able to take that bike and run with the Honda's at certain tracks. Now he's going to be on the most powerful bike on the track that (as OOTV said above) currently doesn't have the "best" riders on it. So the question is, can Ducati and Lorenzo work together to fine tune the handling of the bike? Lorenzo on a decent handling, most powerful bike on the track... 1st.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: FJ_Chris on 06/16/16 12:13PM
1rst Suzuki Iannone
2nd Rossi
3rd Lorenzo
4th MM
5th Crutchlow (still pulling for the ball of fury after all these years but seriously... Vinales)

FLAME ON BIATCHES!
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: OOTV on 06/16/16 12:49PM
1rst Suzuki Iannone
2nd Rossi
3rd Lorenzo
4th MM
5th Crutchlow (still pulling for the ball of fury after all these years but seriously... Vinales)

FLAME ON BIATCHES!
Dude! I was so hoping Crutchlow would be higher in the standings this year. He seemed to have caught a break in the last test though, appears to have found a better setup. Let's see if his luck changes...
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: sponger on 06/16/16 12:53PM
2nd -3rd. Still ahead of Rossi.
Chris, rossi ahead of marquez????  Tsk tsk.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Marcos415 on 06/16/16 01:32PM
3rd place. Marquez 1st and Rossi 2nd.  He's mature enough to not take unnecessary risk and ride within his means. Remember these guys didn't grow up riding race bikes loaded with electronics they have more talent in one finger than we do in our entire bodies. He'll adjust to the bike's strengths and weaknesses.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Parc Ferme on 06/17/16 08:30AM
The Standings...

User         Prediction
Parc ferme      6-8
Luciano136   5
CBRunyan      5
Thepretender   3
OOTV      3-4
Scott         1
CR650_Chris   3
Sponger      2-3
Marcos415      3

#####

P.S., if you guys want a hint on how a rider will do in the upcoming season, gambling sites like 'Bet n Win' or 'Lose n Go' or 'Pay n Lose' or whatever are somehow usually spot on with rider predictions
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: 06R687 on 06/17/16 01:33PM
I'm thinking 4-5, I think Vinales is gonna do well on the Yamaha and then rossi and MM as usual
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: r0ckrat on 06/17/16 01:46PM
4th is my bet.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Scott on 06/17/16 06:42PM
Wait, if we can have a range then put me down for 1-3 :7:
 :46:
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Parc Ferme on 06/18/16 09:41AM
I was gonna start a different thread for this but I'm just gonna dump it in here.

So, I've had this gnawing feeling in the back of my mind ever since JL's first title and I never sat down and did the research because honestly I didn't really care.  However, curiosity has now gotten the better of me (mostly due to this thread) and so I did all of 2 minutes of research and I'm actually a little bit surprised (not really) at the results. Here goes...

It's my opinion that all of JL's titles have come when the other Aliens have struggled and JL has never captured a Title heads-up, on his own strength.

Let me explain before you light the torches.


First, who are the Aliens - VR, CS, JL, and DP. Since CS' retirement, MM has moved into that place. So, Aliens in 2016 are Rossi, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, and Marquez.  Note that DP has definitely been struggling, but I do not put that on the bike.  I think he is struggling with recovery from the experimental surgery or it hasn't worked as well as hoped.  Jury is out on DP, but my gut says he's struggling with recovery or at least the recovery is more difficult than he is saying publicly and MM's complaints about the bike are a convenient way to mask his health problems.

Anyway, back to JL.  So, as I said it's my opinion / assertion / whatever that JL's titles all have come when his rivals have struggled and he has not taken any titles on his own strength.  Let's take a look at the facts:

1. 2010 - JL's 1st Title. What else was going on in MotoGP at the time?  Rossi was on a roll having taking the 08 and 09 titles after losing 06 to NH and 07 to CS. Then, Mugello and VR snaps his leg about even with JL on points (I think Mugello was the 5th-ish race?). Kaboom, JL's main rival (and the title favorite) is out.  Rossi does come back to take 1 victory if I recall (at Sepang?).  But what about the other Aliens in 2010?  In 2010, Stoner was done with Ducati.  He was pissed ever since the "sickness debacle" in '09 and by '10, he had already decided to follow Suppo to Factory Honda.  2010 Stoner is mentally checked out and has no desire to push on a bike he hates for a team he hates.  DP gets his usual 2 wins (Someone can fact check this, I'm guessing).  So, JL's first Title comes in a year where VR snaps his leg and Stoner is fighting the bike and the team and has already announced he's leaving Bologna for Hamamatsu.

2. 2012 - JL's 2nd Title. Again, what else is happening in MotoGP?  Rossi is now wearing McDonalds leathers and hating life.  Burgess is butting heads with Professor X (aka "Wheels").  Bologna are completely wrapped around the axle and can't figure out how to build a race bike.  The Italian experiment is a failure.  Stoner?  Well, funny enough Stoner is pissed again even though he's the reigning champ from '11.  Now he hates MotoGP entirely (disgusted by the idea of top Open bike in Parc Ferme and Open class in general) and he is on his way out of the sport completely having announced his retirement in May of '12.  This means that once again CS is mentally checked out.  He's not pushing (he's mad at Honda now also) and somebody fact check this but i assume DP got his usual 2 wins.  Anyway, once again JL takes a title with VR and CS both struggling.

3. 2015 - JL's 3rd Title. I don't really know what to say on this one.  This whole thing was ugly.  I'll just say that JL's title came in 2015 after some super weird stuff going on in the final races of the season.  I don't want to rehash a bunch of garbage, especially because the whole VR v. MM stuff is irrelevant to my argument.  Remember I'm saying that JL has only taken Titles when his rivals have struggled... and in 2015, MM was struggling.  MM is the '13 and '14 champion meaning, obviously, that he has pulled back to back titles (something JL hasn't done) and I think if we are all honest, we can all say we expected MM and not VR (or JL) to take the '15 title.  So, it's 2015 and MM is struggling, he doesn't like the bike.  Where is VR?  Well, now that VR is happy on the bike again, he's actually competition for JL, not like when he was riding a Ducati.  This means that in '15 an Alien that wasn't struggling (until the end of year weirdness) was actually ahead of JL in the points going heads-up.  Meanwhile, the real title contender Marquez is fighting a bike he doesn't like.  JL's 3rd title comes when his rivals, especially MM, are struggling.

Additionally, I don't believe the hype regarding the Ducati GP bike and that it is somehow getting better or getting closer to the front.  Casey said the bike "didn't turn" and "washed the front without warning".  10 years later, the complaints are the same, the bike "doesn't turn" and it "washes the front without warning".  The Duc is not close to a race winner as you simply have to look at the gap to P1, it's not even in the same ZIP code as the RCV and M1.  These are the gaps to P1 in 2016 for Ducati +41.4, +36.5, +10.9, +26.2, +38.2, +4.7, +41.4.  After 7 races, Ducati has gone from 41.4 seconds behind P1 in Qatar to... 41.4 seconds behind P1 in Barcelona! lol

So, what is going to happen to Lorenzo?  Well, I think the same thing is going to happen to JL that has happened to every single rider that has ridden for Ducati. JL is going to end up fighting a weird bike that doesn't turn and washes the front without warning and when he asks for updates or improvements, nothing will happen or they will add more wings.  JL is not AD.  JL expects wins.  AD hopes for them (no disrespect).   So, fast forward into the 2017 season and the wins aren't coming, the press won't stop asking questions, JL is getting (unfairly) destroyed on his social media, now he's sinking down the leaderboard...  Yeah, this is a case of JL spiraling madness just waiting to happen.  As time goes on, he's going to become increasingly frustrated with the bike and the team and the factory, etc. and it's gonna start getting ugly.

Just my opinion.

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Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Marcos415 on 06/18/16 02:09PM
I don't know man seems to me you're reaching extremely far for this one. I can see discrediting a one time champ like Nicky but not a 3 time motogp champ. Think of all the talented riders that have come and gone through the years and never collected a single championship and you're going to say this guy had all nine plantets align for him 3 times in the past 6 seasons? I would have to strongly disagree. How about we look at some of Rossi's early titles? What was his bike like compared to the rest of the grid? Who was his completion? How did his competition like Sete, Loris, and Max compare to guys like Pedro, Jorge, Marc, and Casey?
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Scott on 06/18/16 09:47PM
I'm shocked how both of you failed to mention the Great Ben Spies!!! :32: :32: :32: Ben Spies :32: :32: :32:
Whatever happened to all those guys on here that would get all mad when I would say, "BEN SPIES SUCKS!!!"? They had conspiracy theories how Yamaha was purposely sabotaging Spies' bike and that's why he was running... umm... 15th! By the way, JL was taking that same bike and winning Championships with it. If I'm not mistaken (I looked up this stat during a great OCMoto argument on the subject), I think JL worse finish that year was 2nd a few times.

So my point being, either JL is as good as everyone thinks, or Ben Spies SUCKED HARDER THAN I THOUGHT!!! Ben Spies sucked pretty hard. It's possible I underestimated his suckness... Damn, I think I did. Ok then, I need to correct my previous 1,000 post on how bad Ben Spies SUCKED and amend them all with the disclaimer:

"CORRECTION: IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT BEN SPIES SUCKED HARDER AND LONGER THAN PREVIOUSLY STATED. PLEASE TAKE ANY AND ALL REFERENCES TO THE TOTAL SUCKNESS OF BEN SPIES AND ADD IN A FACTOR OF 3. SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE. DEATH TO BEN SPIES."

I used a factor of 3, because all my previous post really did a good job of highlighting how and why BEN SPIES SUCKED!!! So a factor of 3 seemed appropriate. If I go with a factor of 5 it would have to start to look like this:

BEN SPIES SUCKED!!!

And that might seem to people that I was getting a little carried away.

Ben Spies Sucked
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Parc Ferme on 06/19/16 09:02AM
I'm shocked how both of you failed to mention the Great Ben Spies!!! :32: :32: :32: Ben Spies :32: :32: :32:
Whatever happened to all those guys on here that would get all mad when I would say, "BEN SPIES SUCKS!!!"? They had conspiracy theories how Yamaha was purposely sabotaging Spies' bike and that's why he was running... umm... 15th! By the way, JL was taking that same bike and winning Championships with it. If I'm not mistaken (I looked up this stat during a great OCMoto argument on the subject), I think JL worse finish that year was 2nd a few times.

So my point being, either JL is as good as everyone thinks, or Ben Spies SUCKED HARDER THAN I THOUGHT!!! Ben Spies sucked pretty hard. It's possible I underestimated his suckness... Damn, I think I did. Ok then, I need to correct my previous 1,000 post on how bad Ben Spies SUCKED and amend them all with the disclaimer:

"CORRECTION: IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT BEN SPIES SUCKED HARDER AND LONGER THAN PREVIOUSLY STATED. PLEASE TAKE ANY AND ALL REFERENCES TO THE TOTAL SUCKNESS OF BEN SPIES AND ADD IN A FACTOR OF 3. SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE. DEATH TO BEN SPIES."

I used a factor of 3, because all my previous post really did a good job of highlighting how and why BEN SPIES SUCKED!!! So a factor of 3 seemed appropriate. If I go with a factor of 5 it would have to start to look like this:

BEN SPIES SUCKED!!!

And that might seem to people that I was getting a little carried away.

Ben Spies Sucked

Ben Spies got screwed by Yamaha just like Melandri got screwed by Aprilia.

If you followed Spies career in the US, he always said he wasn't interested racing MotoGP.  After completely humiliating the WSBK grid in '09, Yamaha thot they might have someone respectable to take VR's seat so they convinced Spies to go to Factory Yamaha MotoGP (who wouldn't take VR's ride if offered?) when he just wanted to stay in WSBK.  Had he stayed, i believe he would have easliy surprassed all of Foggy's records and still be racing today.  Yamaha should have promoted some 250 kid to VRs seat and left Spies in WSBK to dominate and erode Ducati's stranglehold on the series. (fire lin jarvis)

Aprilia did the same thing to MM, he was quite happy in WSBK and so close to taking the title for Aprilia, then Aprilia decided to go "race" the Open class and forced MM back to MotoGP when he absolutely did not want to go race a P20 bike and vehemently resisted the move.  Halfway through the season, MM had enough and split.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: RedRider4Life on 06/20/16 09:33AM
I think he will do better than expected, 3rd just a tad ahead of Vinales.
Did you watch the last race? Its only time until Vinales hones his craft, acquires some patiences and becomes a force to be reckoned with. I would have to agree with most others that the highest he will finish would be 5th but I would hold my breath for that high either, Suzuki is showing that they can make a competitive bike, that ducati pulls on long straights but cannot hold corner speed currently with the likes of the Honda, Yamaha, or Suzuki. Watching that last race and how well that suzuki was handling had Vinales made the first pass on Dani stick he would have been right up there with Rossi and Marc mixing it up. This season is getting better as it progresses.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: sponger on 06/20/16 10:56AM
No more wings on bikes starting next season. Lorenzo will ride the duc like Rossi couldnt, but stoner could. Lorenzo > Rossi
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: FJ_Chris on 06/20/16 11:54AM
No more wings on bikes starting next season. Lorenzo will ride the duc like Rossi couldnt, but stoner could. Lorenzo > Rossi

In support of this position I will say this; isn't Lorenzo amazing in qualifying and super fast right from the start?
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Scott on 06/20/16 03:45PM
No more wings on bikes starting next season. Lorenzo will ride the duc like Rossi couldnt, but stoner could. Lorenzo > Rossi

In support of this position I will say this; isn't Lorenzo amazing in qualifying and super fast right from the start?

Fixed that for ya  :7:

And yes, yes he is.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Bugsy_Clarkdale on 06/21/16 09:35PM
I say 3rd. Hes smooth, but might need time getting used to that power plant of a bike. Hes very competitive and im sure he would want to show Rossi, Stoner, etc that he can perform well.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Parc Ferme on 04/11/17 11:35AM
bump lol

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So, what is going to happen to Lorenzo?  Well, I think the same thing is going to happen to JL that has happened to every single rider that has ridden for Ducati. JL is going to end up fighting a weird bike that doesn't turn and washes the front without warning and when he asks for updates or improvements, nothing will happen or they will add more wings.  JL is not AD.  JL expects wins.  AD hopes for them (no disrespect).   So, fast forward into the 2017 season and the wins aren't coming, the press won't stop asking questions, JL is getting (unfairly) destroyed on his social media, now he's sinking down the leaderboard...  Yeah, this is a case of JL spiraling madness just waiting to happen.  As time goes on, he's going to become increasingly frustrated with the bike and the team and the factory, etc. and it's gonna start getting ugly.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: CBRunyan on 04/11/17 02:53PM
Lets see where we are so far -

The Standings...

User         Prediction
Parc ferme      6-8
Luciano136   5
CBRunyan      5
Thepretender   3
OOTV      3-4
Scott         1
CR650_Chris   3
Sponger      2-3
Marcos415      3

#####

P.S., if you guys want a hint on how a rider will do in the upcoming season, gambling sites like 'Bet n Win' or 'Lose n Go' or 'Pay n Lose' or whatever are somehow usually spot on with rider predictions

Pos.   Rider   Bike   Nation   Points
1   Maverick VIŅALES   Yamaha   SPA   50
2   Valentino ROSSI   Yamaha   ITA   36
3   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   Ducati   ITA   20
4   Scott REDDING   Ducati   GBR   17
5   Cal CRUTCHLOW   Honda   GBR   16
6   Jonas FOLGER   Yamaha   GER   16
7   Jack MILLER   Honda   AUS   15
8   Marc MARQUEZ   Honda   SPA   13
9   Alvaro BAUTISTA   Ducati   SPA   13
10   Dani PEDROSA   Honda   SPA   11
11   Johann ZARCO   Yamaha   FRA   11
12   Aleix ESPARGARO   Aprilia   SPA   10
13   Danilo PETRUCCI   Ducati   ITA   9
14   Loris BAZ   Ducati   FRA   9
15   Karel ABRAHAM   Ducati   CZE   8
16   Alex RINS   Suzuki   SPA   7
17   Hector BARBERA   Ducati   SPA   6
18   Jorge LORENZO   Ducati   SPA   5
19   Tito RABAT   Honda   SPA   5
20   Pol ESPARGARO   KTM   SPA   2
21   Bradley SMITH   KTM   GBR   1
22   Andrea IANNONE   Suzuki   ITA   
23   Sam LOWES   Aprilia   GBR   

I think Vinales has been a huge surprise so far. Me might do what MM93 did in his rookie year. JL99 isn't even the fastest Ducati rider. Rossi is Rossi. However, I suspect he will be less friendly with Vinales if the kid continues to outshine him. I think MM93's crash last weekend was a direct result of Vinales. I think Marc doesn't believe a 2 second lead is enough to hold off Vinales over the course of the race. I have no special insight, that's 100% personal opinion.   

Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: sponger on 04/18/17 09:55AM
Damn lorenzo....
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: OOTV on 04/18/17 12:43PM
Not one to feed the rumor mill normally but there was this story

http://www.motorbikefans.com/ducati-consider-lorenzo-resignation-spaniards-advance/
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: The Cycle Guy on 04/18/17 07:09PM
If it's not too late to weigh in, my prediction is 8th.  I think he'll get accustomed to riding the Duc, but will never truly master it.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: CBRunyan on 04/19/17 07:26PM
No worries, you're in Tim! Given what I see now, I would pick JL99 for 8th this year as well.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: CBRunyan on 04/19/17 07:29PM
Not one to feed the rumor mill normally but there was this story

http://www.motorbikefans.com/ducati-consider-lorenzo-resignation-spaniards-advance/


Interesting read. The Ducati ride might last even less than Rossi's tour. For what it's worth, Rossi had his career worst two years on the Ducati. However, he was still always the fastest Ducati. JL99 isn't even faster than the satellite guys. He's miserable already.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: Parc Ferme on 04/20/17 01:13PM
P8 for JL is now a pipe dream. 

Because of how the points works, I believe JL has to finish much higher than 8th most of the rest of the season to overhaul the deficit... that's not going to happen. 

We are probably looking at something outside the top 10... maybe P12? P14? give or take

By now, he's had all the official and private tests as well as all the free practices/q sessions which is way more than enough time to go through every setting on the bike, which they of course have already done.  JL now knows the bike is a dud and it doesn't matter what settings they go through, the bike needs to be re-engineered.  What they are all hoping for is that some magic setting will allow JL to "click" with the bike at a certain track at a certain temperature, etc.  ... but like P8, that's not gonna happen.

I'm pretty sure Ducati are gonna be done with grand prix after the JL fiasco... look for GiGi to resign at the end of JL's stint and for Ducati to announce the factory is leaving the series with a handful of leftover satellite bikes getting "factory support" for a year or two until they are completely gone.  The Panigale still hasn't won the title after like 5 years in WSBK so they can go beg Dorna for another 200cc and see if they can't beat the Kawis lol.

EDIT: I forgot about the rumors that Ducati are finally going to put a V4 into their superbikes (old but new rumor?), so maybe they will take their desmo and homologate it and try to get the WSBK title that way... something like a Desmo SP2 100K version to meet regs.

Here's an interesting question... If JL went to HRC instead, do you think he would only have 5 points after 2 races?  Even though he's been riding an M1 for ever?
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: CBRunyan on 04/21/17 06:33AM
Given what I've seen, it's difficult to argue the above. ^^
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: OOTV on 04/22/17 04:55PM
Well, I'm sure it'll take a little more to get the hang of the Duc completely but he did make 6th on the grid today. Had to go through Q1 to get there but he made it happen.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: kevo on 04/26/17 03:04PM
Here's an interesting question... If JL went to HRC instead, do you think he would only have 5 points after 2 races?  Even though he's been riding an M1 for ever?

No way. If JL was on a Honda, he probably would have been somewhere around P3 after 2 races. I say this as a JL hater. :) I don't think the differences between the Honda and the Yamaha are nearly as big as the differences between the M1 and the Duc.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: kevo on 04/28/17 07:57AM
This is a very good read! Lorenzo talks about his challenges with the Duc. Really interesting how he thinks rear breaking explains why Mav is doing so well on the M1.
http://www.sportrider.com/motogp-lorenzo-speaks-out-on-ducati?src=SOC&dom=fb#page-32
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: The Cycle Guy on 06/11/17 03:57PM
Curious where everybody thinks JL will finish 2017 after his first year on the Ducati.

Post your prediction if you dare.

I'll go on record with somewhere between P6 and P8.

So far......nailed it!
https://www.superbikeplanet.com/2017-motogp-series-worldsbk-world-superbike-series-points-standings/motogp-moto2-moto3/
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: FJ_Chris on 06/12/17 10:04AM
JL now knows the bike is a dud

2 victories in 7 days.  Nice result for a dud  :17:
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: OOTV on 06/12/17 10:31AM
JL now knows the bike is a dud

2 victories in 7 days.  Nice result for a dud  :17:
Yet, even Dovi will admit he was surprised with bot of his wins! ;)

In all seriousness, I think given the right circumstances, it can finish well, point being the last 2 races but I don't think they're quite there yet. Dovi continues to be somewhat passive aggressive with his remarks about the bike. JL is gaining confidence and his P2 position at the start of the Catalunya race and his P4 finish, is a sign that he's starting to get a little more familiar/comfortable on the Duc. Contrary to what I had said earlier about Dovi, he actually thew a wrench in the points standings on my guess on JL's position, as did Dani Pedrosa and of all riders, Johan Zarco! We are now 1/3 into the season and as most people will say, even the riders, it's still too early to tell and ANYTHING can happen in racing.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: FJ_Chris on 07/13/17 11:30AM
I think he will do better than expected, 3rd just a tad ahead of Vinales.

 :32: :32: :32:
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: thepretender on 07/13/17 04:56PM
I think he will do better than expected, 3rd just a tad ahead of Vinales.

 :32: :32: :32:

F you for laughing at me the year is only half over JL could come on strong after the break.





Who am I kidding he sucks more than my prediction.   :32: :32: :32: :30:
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: CBRunyan on 07/15/17 04:53PM
JL in 9th. More significant though, he's only the 3rd placed Ducati. Both Dovi and Petrucci are doing better.

only 10 points between MM93 in 1st and Rossi in 4th. Great championship so far.
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: luciano136 on 07/15/17 05:01PM
Great championship so far.

Agreed!  Moto2 and Moto3 have been entertaining as well!
Title: Re: Lorenzo 2017 Final Position
Post by: SoCal250 on 07/16/17 10:29PM
It's been an exciting season so far in the top class. And as luciano said, the support classes have been really good as well, but they always seem to be the showcase for action. Can't wait for the summer recess to end. Bring on Brno!

JL has been a non-factor so far.