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Title: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Dane on 03/17/10 10:29PM
Hi All,

Over the years OC MOTO has grown at a tremendous rate. We really have watched the board go from just a handful of members, to one of Orange County's largest motorcycle communities. As a result, a policy on use of the Classifieds section of OCM has been drafted to handle the larger volume of posting, all while keeping everything clean, to the point, and most importantly perpetuate the Classifieds intended purpose of providing a place for the members of OC MOTO to have a place to buy and sell amongst members.

The policy has been posted below, and is set for a 3 month trial period while we collect feedback from the community. A dedicated email has been set up for use during this trial period, all feedback should be sent to policy@ocmoto.com. Those who issue feedback will be apprised of any future meetings/discussions related to the feedback collected.

Google Docs Link:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgf4cvx4_37fskqdmh3



- OC MOTO Team
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Gaskommando on 03/20/10 12:11AM
Quote

OC MOTO Basic Sponsor Qualification Program

Definitions:

The OC MOTO Basic Sponsor Qualification Program (SQP) will set standard requirements for any business seeking to create a sponsor relationship with OCM.

Sponsors must have:

1.    Valid Business License with City

2.    Registered with California Bureau of Automotive Repair (if applicable)

3.    Commercial Liability Insurance ($1 MM)



Why was #2 crossed out?!?

And I do like this action taken, it should be a good start to keep people from trying to profit from the site without being an actual contributing member.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: kePrez on 03/20/10 12:32AM
Like every other policy known to man kind, It has its ups and downs.

#2 was crossed out because of the lack of info provided from what I understand.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Gaskommando on 03/20/10 01:58AM
Like every other policy known to man kind, It has its ups and downs.

#2 was crossed out because of the lack of info provided from what I understand.

Hmm. I think that should be an important part of being a sponsor though. I think if your not willing to become a legitimate shop with all credentials then you shouldn't get to be a sponsor. If you are too lazy to get all that is needed to show you are a legitimate shop then what else are you cutting corners on?

Does this make sense or am I just rambling?
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: kePrez on 03/20/10 02:02AM
Makes sense for sure. I also think that if new rules are implemented that it should affect current sponsors, as well as future sponsors!
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Dane on 03/20/10 09:09AM
It was crossed out because we weren't clear if it was required or not... kinda like a placeholder. I think it's clear that it should be there and is on the list of revisions.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Gahawn on 03/20/10 09:18AM
Makes sense for sure. I also think that if new rules are implemented that it should affect current sponsors, as well as future sponsors!

You actually can't go there legally. The legal term for it is "ex post facto" and it applies to contracts as well as laws. It can be a condition of contract renewal however.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Fezz on 03/20/10 09:24AM
I like the fact that we actually check up on their licenses, it does keep it safer on us. I also like that this community is turning away from being craigslist by the 1 poster classified's, I think all the shops in the shop directory should have the ability to post their specials in that section that is dedicated to customer feedback's and ect... Just an idea... I kinda liked some of the special deals Keprez was running and as well as many other's.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: hacking on 03/20/10 07:10PM
I would like to add degree's or education obtained by the bike shop ....i know off a sho pthat says they have MMI students working there and others that got taught at a night school .
I have a degree for what i do and i expect all so called  techs to have the correct knowledge and be able to prove it with Doc's.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: k on 03/21/10 01:23PM
[soapbox]
I hate it when a good "local community" forum turns into a corporate-like machine.  I understand that there are overhead costs associated with running this site, as well as ALOT of time that goes into it as well on behalf of the OC Moto staff.  But I think instead of playing favorites with "sponsors", the site should be community supported.  This takes all the business capitalism and favoritism out of the picture and puts the welfare of the site in the hands of the community.  The staff could setup a subscription-based system which allows members to "donate" a certain amount in exchange for special privileges (such as a cool title, or an exclusive sub-forum, etc).  I'd be happy to kick over $20 or so a month to help keep this place going.  With maybe 100 active members and an average of $5 a month from each member that's $500 a month in revenue right there!  And I'm sure there'll be those who want to contribute even more!
[/soapbox]

- K
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: PIKE 49 on 03/21/10 03:06PM
What if i wanted to be a sponser? I would have to get a license and become all legal just to post a banner on a oc based forum???
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: kePrez on 03/21/10 06:42PM
What if i wanted to be a sponser? I would have to get a license and become all legal just to post a banner on a oc based forum???

Well if you were offering to service or repair motorcycles or cars... YES! Its the LAW, not just a forum rule.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Andy on 03/21/10 06:59PM
What if i wanted to be a sponser? I would have to get a license and become all legal just to post a banner on a oc based forum???

Help me understand how it is a bad idea that we ensure people advertising on our forum are running legitimate businesses?
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Stavesacre on 03/21/10 07:05PM
So I shouldn't be offering to repair carbon parts for my freinds? Until someone tells me I can't, I'll keep on helping out were I can. A donation is tax free, and thus I don't need a tax licsense or buisness liscense. Now if someone has writen a review, should the thread be considered subject to the vendour rules?

I know that this is a trial time, but when new rules get laid down someone is going to ask...
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: PIKE 49 on 03/21/10 08:18PM
ya exactly, i helped someone with some lights on there bike, so if he thanks me on a thread and tells people to call me and so on, do i need to be ligit, and with sponsor ships, what i just wanted to have a banner that said sponsered by pike? Would that be wrong, if i pay you what really matters then?
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: kePrez on 03/21/10 09:48PM
Ok, I see where this is going. I have no idea how they are going to determine that, but I doubt they will require friends helping friends get a license of any kind!
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: RRichie09 on 03/21/10 09:53PM
Come on guys, just use common sense.  A rider helping our a rider is not what they are talking about.

Do we really have to clarrify every little detail of this new policy?  Since OCMOTO has started there hasn't been any huge problems regarding these types of situations so lets just see how the new policy works. 

It's not like if you violate the policy Dane's gonna come looking for you with a ski mask and baseball bat... are you Dane?
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: PIKE 49 on 03/21/10 10:16PM
im just putting it out there..........wat if i wanted to sponsor it??
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Andy on 03/21/10 10:26PM
so there seem to be a couple questions from the above posts.  I'll try to address them as concisely as I can; please keep in mind I'm doing so based on my interpretation of the current guidelines as found in the link above.  I reserve the right to be corrected by Dane or Mike or other moderator as needed.

So I shouldn't be offering to repair carbon parts for my freinds? Until someone tells me I can't, I'll keep on helping out were I can. A donation is tax free, and thus I don't need a tax licsense or buisness liscense. Now if someone has writen a review, should the thread be considered subject to the vendour rules?
As far as I know, you're not asking to put up a banner in the rotating banner area, top right of the site.  Most of the rules about business license, insurance, etc, refer to paid sponsors.  you're not in that position, so those items wouldn't apply to you.  As far as I know, we're not limiting people from writing reviews about whatever company they deal with, sponsor or not.  As Rich pointed out, there will be some common sense applied and if a review thread starts to look more like a plug, we'll step in as needed.

ya exactly, i helped someone with some lights on there bike, so if he thanks me on a thread and tells people to call me and so on, do i need to be ligit, and with sponsor ships, what i just wanted to have a banner that said sponsered by pike? Would that be wrong, if i pay you what really matters then?
Pretty much the same answer for you as Sam.  If you decided you wanted become a paid sponsor with a rotating banner ad, then yes you'd be subject to those rules and need to be "legit."  Consider this scenario:  OCMoto members sees a banner ad one day and decides to take his bike to that business.  He returns the following week to find out the shop burned down, his bike with it.  Said business had no liability insurance and wasn't licensed by the state.  he only had liability insurance on his bike and his insurance doesn't cover the damage.  OCMoto member is now SOL with no bike and no legal recourse, short of suing the illegitimate shop owner in civil court.  How would that reflect on OCMoto?

And maybe that situation doesn't work out in the real world, but that's how I'd forsee it happening, based on my experience, knowledge, and logical thought.

Ok, I see where this is going. I have no idea how they are going to determine that, but I doubt they will require friends helping friends get a license of any kind!
That's my understanding as well.  If someone needs help with an oil change and they brings their bike to my house, that's much different than me advertising $10 oil changes.

There's another layer of complexity when it comes to ads in signatures, which are actually already in the rules and we're deciding how we want to respond to those as well.

We can come up with random and what-if scenarios all day that may or may not work with the rules, but then we'd end up chasing our own tails and writing such elaborate guidelines we'd need a lawyer just to interpret them.  Everyone just take a deep breath while we work through this transition and realize it's a work in progress and not set in stone.  There's even an email address where you can officially lodge your concerns and feedback.  As individual situations come up we will figure those out and respond appropriately.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Stavesacre on 03/22/10 08:23AM
I understand these rules are to protect all party's. And to an extent you can. The only guarantees in life are taxes and death.

Have you guys reviewed some other sites rules and requirements, ie... Ducati.ms?  They are a part of a bigger community of forums called Motorcycleforums.com . I know we ares still a baby compared to these sites, but their structure maybe a great go-by and could leads this forum in the right direction....

The amount of sponsors they have and the resource for these vendors is great. There is soooo much more behind this I can't go on......
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: njineermike on 03/22/10 09:21AM
I think for some examples of forums rules run amok, you only need to look at any forum run by VerticalScope. They are a marketing corporation that runs forums that are simply advertising portals for the sponsor group. No posts, even PM's, listing other sites not affiliated with the VS sponsor group are allowed, and they are auto-deleted by a bot if detected. No sigs with links, you can't even offer to sell parts on some. I've been banned from one for PM's involving parts sales on used parts.

I see complaints from people who don't have to be the ones paying the bills. Keep in mind, the access to this site is NOT free. Servers cost money. Site access costs money. While K's idea for individuals to pay is nice, in the end, even if THAT were the funding methodology, we still need some framework to allow for the members to be able to buy and sell what they have, as well as allowing the paying mermbers to have some protection on their investment and  stop system abuse. What if a paying member decided to post 15 times a day about his used car business? Without a framework in place as guidelines, there really is no way to say he CAN'T do that.

Sponsors need to have somewhat of a guarantee that the money they pay will have a protection as an investment. It IS paid advertising of a sort. All this new framework does, is allow for freedom of members to buy and sell, while protecting paying sponsors. Keep in mind this is also a work in progress and some tweaks will inevitably be needed as the process unfolds. This isn't congress. No paid lobbyists are giving anybody homes in the Bahamas for votes.

It's down to common sense. The BAR rule was crossed out. Why exactly would a sponsor advertising for notary public services need to register with the BAR? Not every sponsor is an auto/bike repair shop. Common sense. Sadly, it's lacking sometimes. Stavesacre fixes CF parts. If someone knows this and takes parts to him, that's there business. If a fellow biker calls me and asks to borrow my stands to swap some forks and I help while I'm there, it's just help. A sponsor wasn't going to get that work anyway. A business license shows you are serious. As it was stated, OCMOTO accepts some liability of reputation by accepting a sponsor. I know when I hear some clown talking smack about this site because we ain't down wit da stunna 411, I get a little pissed because I know what we do is promote a safe environment, both as a site, and as motorcyclists. I want my kid to be able to see this place and feel like I don't have to monitor every mouse click, as well as hope he doesn;t get some moron convincing him that riding a gixxer with flip flops while wheely-ing down the freeway all his buddies have stopped up is a great idea. Common sense.

I feel it's important that we let the process do it's job. It's there to protect everybody, not just a few. The rules are simple, few, and some are open to negotiation, such as the selling of new unused parts. I wrote the original draft of the policy and there was a LOT more than Dane kept. He distilled it down to a few common sense points. How about we, as a group, try using a little common sense for a change too?
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: calamari on 03/22/10 10:31AM
yawn
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: triplestack3 on 03/22/10 10:36AM
Member Ads

Aimed at ensuring OCM Members will be able to use the classifieds section effectively. Defines what a personal ad is, and limits commercial posts.

·       Items for sale must be “Used” and sold by a non-commercial entity. Posts should be for personal transactions only and must be in possession and sold by the member.

·       Over 5 threads or transactions per month may result in restrictions on the account with Moderator warning. Threads shall not be updated, edited, or new posts added to circumvent the monthly thread limit.

·       Bumping of threads may result in post deletion with Moderator warning. In general, threads should not be bumped more than once every 3 days.

·       Duplicate posts in multiple forums will be considered "nuisance posts" and will likely result in ALL posts relating to that item being deleted. 1 warning will be sent explaining the reason for the deletion. Reposting multiples will be considered a violation of the Terms of Service and will be dealt with accordingly.

·       Members selling “never before used” items may be permitted at Moderator discretion, however, should not exceed 1 transaction per month.
Just out of curiosity, what if I'm putting a bike back to stock form before I sell it and there are more than 5 items that I am trying to sell? Obviously it should all be in one thread, but limited only to 5 transactions?
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: bumble bee on 03/22/10 10:37AM
^^^ good point. 

Oliver is a stand up member of this site who always has killer deals on great products.  I really would hate to see that restricted
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: PIKE 49 on 03/22/10 10:54AM
Ya i had never read this part, that sucks, i bought a never before used light just the other day from the forum, and your telling me know that guy would have to get permission before posting it? This site is turning corporate and the funny thing is its still small to be doing that.  that sux.. just my pennies.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: RRichie09 on 03/22/10 11:39AM
Ya i had never read this part, that sucks, i bought a never before used light just the other day from the forum, and your telling me know that guy would have to get permission before posting it? This site is turning corporate and the funny thing is its still small to be doing that.  that sux.. just my pennies.

Dude, its not just about the rules, its about how its enforced.  I doubt the mods on this forum is gonna be all uptight about it.  they have't been in the past and I see no reason for them to be uptight now.

Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Dane on 03/22/10 12:01PM
Member Ads

Aimed at ensuring OCM Members will be able to use the classifieds section effectively. Defines what a personal ad is, and limits commercial posts.

·       Items for sale must be “Used” and sold by a non-commercial entity. Posts should be for personal transactions only and must be in possession and sold by the member.

·       Over 5 threads or transactions per month may result in restrictions on the account with Moderator warning. Threads shall not be updated, edited, or new posts added to circumvent the monthly thread limit.

·       Bumping of threads may result in post deletion with Moderator warning. In general, threads should not be bumped more than once every 3 days.

·       Duplicate posts in multiple forums will be considered "nuisance posts" and will likely result in ALL posts relating to that item being deleted. 1 warning will be sent explaining the reason for the deletion. Reposting multiples will be considered a violation of the Terms of Service and will be dealt with accordingly.

·       Members selling “never before used” items may be permitted at Moderator discretion, however, should not exceed 1 transaction per month.
Just out of curiosity, what if I'm putting a bike back to stock form before I sell it and there are more than 5 items that I am trying to sell? Obviously it should all be in one thread, but limited only to 5 transactions?

Triplestack,

We used 'may' to set a guideline, not a hard and fast rule. In your situation, by selling more than 5 items, you're not trying to circumvent the overall intent of the policy which is that the classifieds are primarily here for members to sell things, not businesses.

It is for situations like these that we left it open to Moderator discretion, and I wouldn't expect for that thread to be removed.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: triplestack3 on 03/22/10 01:14PM
gotcha - thanks for the clarification. This forum is a lot better than most when it comes to stuff like this.

The only thing that bugs me a little is when someone makes their first post in the classifieds section. Buying a used bike is a big deal and it's much easier buying from someone that is trustworthy.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: LBCR1 on 03/22/10 01:52PM
gotcha - thanks for the clarification. This forum is a lot better than most when it comes to stuff like this.

The only thing that bugs me a little is when someone makes their first post in the classifieds section. Buying a used bike is a big deal and it's much easier buying from someone that is trustworthy.


i think this will take care of that once the trial is over

Member Ads

·       New threads must be approved by Moderator if less than 50 posts.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: triplestack3 on 03/22/10 02:11PM
makes sense to me
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: ucigaragemilitia on 03/22/10 10:49PM
Well unfortunately this new policy means the axe for me and my "Minor Motorcycle Service" thread.  I understand the reasons behind the changes, but I still feel a little screwed because I had decently established myself as a credible and knowledgeable, albeit non-professional, mechanic and now that's all gone.  I do think its a little unfair in my case, as my services and qualifications were very clear not only in my thread but also when a client showed up at my garage, but rules aren't always fair i guess...
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: PIKE 49 on 03/22/10 10:50PM
sEE THATS WHAT I WAS GETTING TOO, PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE ARE GOING TO BE EFFECTED BADLY.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Gahawn on 03/22/10 10:55PM
Well unfortunately this new policy means the axe for me and my "Minor Motorcycle Service" thread.  I understand the reasons behind the changes, but I still feel a little screwed because I had decently established myself as a credible and knowledgeable, albeit non-professional, mechanic and now that's all gone.  I do think its a little unfair in my case, as my services and qualifications were very clear not only in my thread but also when a client showed up at my garage, but rules aren't always fair i guess...


I've gotta imagine you fall primarily under the "friends helping friends" clause, no? If not then there should at least be a grandfather clause.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: njineermike on 03/23/10 06:54AM
Well unfortunately this new policy means the axe for me and my "Minor Motorcycle Service" thread.  I understand the reasons behind the changes, but I still feel a little screwed because I had decently established myself as a credible and knowledgeable, albeit non-professional, mechanic and now that's all gone.  I do think its a little unfair in my case, as my services and qualifications were very clear not only in my thread but also when a client showed up at my garage, but rules aren't always fair i guess...


I've gotta imagine you fall primarily under the "friends helping friends" clause, no? If not then there should at least be a grandfather clause.

The reason it didn't fit in "freinds helping freinds" was because the first post showed it was strictly commercial in nature by posting fixed prices for services. For now we use the letter of the law as opposed to the spirit, mostly to avoid any type of favoritism. We punish the innocent with the guilty as equals. :) I've talked with ucigaragemilitia. I personally don't want to see that type of post disappear completely, but he seems to understand what the boundaries at phase 1 are and why, and he's working to help us establish the framework for phase 2. The most important part is that if something seems unfair, it's pointed out calmly. If there is something Dane sees as beneficial and can get implemented, then it will be. Not everybody is going to be happy all the time. We're trying to keep the members able to post relatively freely, but still keep the abusers at bay. It's going to take time and we all appreciate the patience some of you have displayed.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: ucigaragemilitia on 03/23/10 08:06AM
Yea, just to put it out there, I am not upset or pissed.  I was just confused.  I stand behind what the OCMoto Admins are doing, it makes sense for the most part.  Im sure everything will work out for the best in the end.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: GoDzILLaH on 03/23/10 10:09AM
Yea, just to put it out there, I am not upset or pissed.  I was just confused.  I stand behind what the OCMoto Admins are doing, it makes sense for the most part.  Im sure everything will work out for the best in the end.


Off Topic:
Sam,
  Maybe you can strart a thread called "Friends Helping Friends" and without a fixed price just put donation amount :). I got your number stored Sam and I am sure others as well so you will continue to get customers by the word of mouth. :).

On Topic:
But Controlling the Classified Section Is A Good Thing.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Stavesacre on 03/23/10 11:20AM
How about flowers... like CL Adult classifieds!
100 roses for a 1/2 hr
200 roses for 1hr.. lol

Really though, a community is built around the people. Remove the creative freelance, and you snub-out what makes it so great. How about needing to have a license to dispense advice....

Consider this Mod's...

A vendor section were they can post sales/promotions. Then a classifieds area for back door deals. Classifieds are just that, personal postings that offer personal services (not referring to adult services this time). Vendor area can be subject to laws that reach far and above classifieds. Vendor gets out of line and zap-o. Classified post provides a disservice, we post review!
Allowing people to choose to go with a shop, or someone who knows their way around the garage.


I think breaking this out into two areas would mitigate allot of this confusion.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: PIKE 49 on 03/23/10 11:30AM
How about flowers... like CL Adult classifieds!
100 roses for a 1/2 hr
200 roses for 1hr.. lol

Really though, a community is built around the people. Remove the creative freelance, and you snub-out what makes it so great. How about needing to have a license to dispense advice....

Consider this Mod's...

A vendor section were they can post sales/promotions. Then a classifieds area for back door deals. Classifieds are just that, personal postings that offer personal services (not referring to adult services this time). Vendor area can be subject to laws that reach far and above classifieds. Vendor gets out of line and zap-o. Classified post provides a disservice, we post review!
Allowing people to choose to go with a shop, or someone who knows their way around the garage.


I think breaking this out into two areas would mitigate allot of this confusion.

the first part was funny, and then wondering how u know this  haha,

the second part, makes perfect sense, and sounds gooood.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: kePrez on 03/23/10 11:38AM
There again, some "vendors" have regular deals that they post such as used gear or used parts that are separate from shop However since I am referred to as a "shop" then would my personal posts get deleted in this section you mention!?!?
Or do ALL of my post have to be in the "VENDOR" section. Remember I have been around this site since it first opened and signed up a year ago (almost) not as a vendor but as myself. Now with that in the mix, How would your proposed "back door" work?
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: CycleVIN on 03/23/10 12:02PM
There again, some "vendors" have regular deals that they post such as used gear or used parts that are separate from shop However since I am referred to as a "shop" then would my personal posts get deleted in this section you mention!?!?
Or do ALL of my post have to be in the "VENDOR" section. Remember I have been around this site since it first opened and signed up a year ago (almost) not as a vendor but as myself. Now with that in the mix, How would your proposed "back door" work?

I too am a little bit confused. I was about to list a classified ad this morning for a shock I pulled off my bike yesterday...but now I'm not sure where to post or if I am even allowed to. I listed it on craigslist:

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/mcy/1657770765.html

Do new parts go in the vendors section and used parts go in the classifieds, or do I too need to list all items I want to sell in the vendors section? Thanks in advance for any clarification.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: PIKE 49 on 03/23/10 12:08PM
ive noticed that if you just post it, they will move it, ive seen a couple threads move in the last couple days, so they will show you were it goes, THAts one plus
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: njineermike on 03/23/10 12:16PM
There again, some "vendors" have regular deals that they post such as used gear or used parts that are separate from shop However since I am referred to as a "shop" then would my personal posts get deleted in this section you mention!?!?
Or do ALL of my post have to be in the "VENDOR" section. Remember I have been around this site since it first opened and signed up a year ago (almost) not as a vendor but as myself. Now with that in the mix, How would your proposed "back door" work?

I too am a little bit confused. I was about to list a classified ad this morning for a shock I pulled off my bike yesterday...but now I'm not sure where to post or if I am even allowed to. I listed it on craigslist:

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/mcy/1657770765.html

Do new parts go in the vendors section and used parts go in the classifieds, or do I too need to list all items I want to sell in the vendors section? Thanks in advance for any clarification.

Any used part may be posted by a member. If you posted it to CL first and want to link to the CL posting to avoid repeating yourself, simply state that and it's just fine. If you have multiple parts, having them all listed in a single post is better, but informing a mod you have multiple parts and wish to break it up to avoid confusion helps.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: CycleVIN on 03/23/10 12:35PM
There again, some "vendors" have regular deals that they post such as used gear or used parts that are separate from shop However since I am referred to as a "shop" then would my personal posts get deleted in this section you mention!?!?
Or do ALL of my post have to be in the "VENDOR" section. Remember I have been around this site since it first opened and signed up a year ago (almost) not as a vendor but as myself. Now with that in the mix, How would your proposed "back door" work?

I too am a little bit confused. I was about to list a classified ad this morning for a shock I pulled off my bike yesterday...but now I'm not sure where to post or if I am even allowed to. I listed it on craigslist:

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/mcy/1657770765.html

Do new parts go in the vendors section and used parts go in the classifieds, or do I too need to list all items I want to sell in the vendors section? Thanks in advance for any clarification.

Any used part may be posted by a member. If you posted it to CL first and want to link to the CL posting to avoid repeating yourself, simply state that and it's just fine. If you have multiple parts, having them all listed in a single post is better, but informing a mod you have multiple parts and wish to break it up to avoid confusion helps.

Cool, thanks for clearing that up for me Mike.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: kePrez on 03/23/10 12:53PM
mike is the shi.... ha ha.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: chrisweir.com on 03/23/10 01:09PM
Mike, thank you for all your hard work on this issue.  I think you're doing a fantastic job.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: njineermike on 03/23/10 01:16PM
Thanks guys. I do appreciate it.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: HBguy on 03/23/10 06:48PM
From the looks of the CA BAR website, they only care about smog and light adjustments so it's rather moot, but you could just say "in good standing with all applicable legal requirements". 

I would also commend OCMoto for its good history of allowing members to criticize its sponsors.  This place is rather communal so any unjust/baseless criticism usually get's what it deserves.  I would like OCMoto to let its sponsors know (formally) that it will allow members to make statements which might question the shops deeds or nature.  In todays world where bad shops accumulate its bad rep (online at least) pretty quick, this is something that has become invaluable to consumers willing to do some research. 



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I hate it when a good "local community" forum turns into a corporate-like machine.  I understand that there are overhead costs associated with running this site, as well as ALOT of time that goes into it as well on behalf of the OC Moto staff.  But I think instead of playing favorites with "sponsors", the site should be community supported.  This takes all the business capitalism and favoritism out of the picture and puts the welfare of the site in the hands of the community.  The staff could setup a subscription-based system which allows members to "donate" a certain amount in exchange for special privileges (such as a cool title, or an exclusive sub-forum, etc).  I'd be happy to kick over $20 or so a month to help keep this place going.  With maybe 100 active members and an average of $5 a month from each member that's $500 a month in revenue right there!  And I'm sure there'll be those who want to contribute even more!
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- K
I hate it when you post in a thread because you always detract from the main topic and rant.  It's either that or -1 rating rants or "im leaving" rants or forum related drama threads.

...while we're being off topic.  [/soapbox]
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: LBCR1 on 03/23/10 07:24PM
[soapbox]
I hate it when a good "local community" forum turns into a corporate-like machine.  I understand that there are overhead costs associated with running this site, as well as ALOT of time that goes into it as well on behalf of the OC Moto staff.  But I think instead of playing favorites with "sponsors", the site should be community supported.  This takes all the business capitalism and favoritism out of the picture and puts the welfare of the site in the hands of the community.  The staff could setup a subscription-based system which allows members to "donate" a certain amount in exchange for special privileges (such as a cool title, or an exclusive sub-forum, etc).  I'd be happy to kick over $20 or so a month to help keep this place going.  With maybe 100 active members and an average of $5 a month from each member that's $500 a month in revenue right there!  And I'm sure there'll be those who want to contribute even more!
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- K


are you kicking over the the 20.00 a month already if not i will help you do that here is the page that will allow you to pay up remember 20.00 a month so we will be expecting your dollars each month.

http://www.ocmoto.com/index.php?action=info;sa=donate
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: kePrez on 03/23/10 10:23PM
Beach Bum; Actually that is not correct, those are 2 of the 3. The third being "ANY" repairs or services of vehicle, cars, trucks, motorcycles, on road, and off road all have to sign up with the B.A.R.. 
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: k on 03/23/10 11:55PM
I hate it when you post in a thread because you always detract from the main topic and rant.  It's either that or -1 rating rants or "im leaving" rants or forum related drama threads.

If you have an issue with me, please feel free to PM me instead of attacking me publicly.  No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read my posts... :7:

are you kicking over the the 20.00 a month already if not i will help you do that here is the page that will allow you to pay up remember 20.00 a month so we will be expecting your dollars each month.

http://www.ocmoto.com/index.php?action=info;sa=donate

As long as it's sponsor supported, I will not contribute.  My point was if it were to become COMMUNITY supported i'd be happy to contribute.  Nice try, thanks for playing.  :8:

- K
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: LBCR1 on 03/24/10 07:25AM
It is community supported with help from sponsors.

The reason why getting only members to support the site won't work is because members come and go take breaks from the site we can't rely on members alone. Speaking of members leaving isn't about time for you to cry about something and threaten to leave and come back with a new name.

We have Ocmoto shirts and stuff for sale have you purchased any goods to help out. If no then you are not helping to make it community supported. You expect Dane and mike to be able to pay for a few months for the expenses that the site has while they attempt to collect money from members and drop the sponsors or are you willing to pay for months it takes to get it going the way you think it should work.

Step up K, untill you start dishing out some dollars to help bring it away from sponsors then what do you expect. Better yet make your own forum and charge your members money for the site and you can give them a nice leather vest with a patch on it. And let us know how it works out for you. 
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: bumble bee on 03/24/10 08:30AM
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Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: k on 03/24/10 08:32AM
It is community supported with help from sponsors.

The reason why getting only members to support the site won't work is because members come and go take breaks from the site we can't rely on members alone. Speaking of members leaving isn't about time for you to cry about something and threaten to leave and come back with a new name.

We have Ocmoto shirts and stuff for sale have you purchased any goods to help out. If no then you are not helping to make it community supported. You expect Dane and mike to be able to pay for a few months for the expenses that the site has while they attempt to collect money from members and drop the sponsors or are you willing to pay for months it takes to get it going the way you think it should work.

Step up K, untill you start dishing out some dollars to help bring it away from sponsors then what do you expect. Better yet make your own forum and charge your members money for the site and you can give them a nice leather vest with a patch on it. And let us know how it works out for you. 

Who spoke about members leaving?  I sure didn't bring that subject up.  But hey, if taking jabs at me is your thing... then jab away.  I'm not going to let anything said on an internet forum get to me.

I would have HAPPILY bought a shirt or two had they produced it in my size... I wear XXL and the largest they had was a L.  I wanted to buy one of the "brake fluid cozies" but was told that they were out of stock.  All that's left really are the OC Moto stickers, and since I'm not too big a fan of stickers I haven't purchased any.

Like I told Steve (Beach Bum), if you have an issue with me i'd appreciate it if you took it to PM's.  Otherwise, I'm done with this topic.  ;)

- K
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: k on 03/24/10 08:33AM
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Hey quit hogging the bucket.

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Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: bumble bee on 03/24/10 08:36AM
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Hey quit hogging the bucket.


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Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: njineermike on 03/24/10 08:42AM
Arguing about whether having a policy is a good or bad idea is a moot point. It's neccessary, it's here, and it's staying. The framework will be modified as events unfold and the viability of each portion of the framework's implementation is evaluated as situations warrant. Having a "Sponsors pay so I won't" mentality is your right. I pay for membership at 3 sponsor supported sites right now. At others (mostly those run by VS) I don't. But, if you don't pay anything, and expect the rules to be bent according to your whims and preferences, don't expect an overwhelming wave of support from anybody. It's like I tell my son; Until he has a job and pays rent, he can think he has an opinion and it matters, but it doesn't.

Back on topic, There is a feedback method for airing grievances as well as constructive criticism. The end goal is a free and open forum for our members, reduced spamming, and more support for the paying sponsors. These all involve give and take, but this is the reality of the situation. If you feel some aspect of it can be improved, please feel free to give feedback in a  constructive manner. "You suck" messages are ignored in the order they are recieved.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: LBCR1 on 03/24/10 09:26AM
I haven't looked but the current sponsors are they all local and part of the community if so then the site is community supported they just happen to have a shop or store and got an ad.

I brought up people leaving since it's a fact that people leave and that means lost support and when enough leave then the rest of the community must pay more to make up the cost. Soon more will leave because they can't pay more each time a member leave. Soon the site dies out all because we only relied on the community to pay. Also with shops sponsorship we usually get deals from them, would you rather pay more for services and products just to keep them from an ad on the site or save a little cash becouse they are sponsors and want to help out the community. Me I would like to save some money that will help me buy some more stuff for the bike.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: HBguy on 03/24/10 10:02AM
I don't care about you or the issue enough to PM you...I rather mock your whiny ass in public for the entertainment value.

Oh and yeah, if YOU had something to say, you could do the same to me.  Still mad that your $1k bike sold for $1k?  :)
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Stavesacre on 03/24/10 12:00PM
Just when we got this thread heading in the right direction.......
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: PIKE 49 on 03/24/10 01:20PM
wat kind of bike was it for 1k??? ha.
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: Dane on 03/24/10 02:56PM
On topic please...
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: FlyingScotsman on 03/24/10 03:39PM
Personally I like the new "rules" I was getting tired of seeing personal or business ads in threads, starting to get a feeling I was getting pop ups.
Jeez I hope that made sense.  :33: :33: :33:
Title: Re: Classifieds Policy
Post by: gsxrGeoff on 03/24/10 06:44PM
Personally I like the new "rules" I was getting tired of seeing personal or business ads in threads, starting to get a feeling I was getting pop ups.
Jeez I hope that made sense.  :33: :33: :33:
Were you really getting tired of it?? Haha just kidding.... I think any regular forum member read your replies ever time a classified would pop up from suspected characters.... :13:

+1 for trying to keep OCMoto a community and not the Garage Sale for random people to come post to make money (coughing, CL)
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anyone willing to trade gold forged marchisini wheels for my 2007 black forged marchisini wheels??????