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Title: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: SUPERCHICKEN on 07/12/16 05:06PM
i dont usually rant, i like keep my mouth shut, BUT

was out riding the busa this weekend, and i only think about maybe 2 people waved out of the hundred motorcycle riders i waved at.

maybe a new generation???? maybe they dont know the rules, maybe all a$$holes.

i dont know, was just an obvervation.

u may continue with you day

chicken rides a busa
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: OOTV on 07/12/16 05:23PM
I experience the same thing all the time. Maybe a new generation of rider. When I started riding the wave was the norm, then it appeared to be from only those who rode a similar type of motorcycle, now you're lucky to even get a head nod.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: TOMOS on 07/12/16 05:59PM
I wave and I might even flash you a tit if I feel like it. I'm a male btw
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: r0ckrat on 07/12/16 06:01PM
Also depends on where you are riding, I rarely get a wave on the freeway, but usually get a wave anywhere else. Unless they are on a HD or sumo...
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: MurdaJ on 07/12/16 06:16PM


I rode to Prescott this weekend and got waves from the opposite side of the divided 10 freeway. Once in AZ the wave to helmet ratio was about 20:1

Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Snapshot on 07/12/16 06:22PM
Also depends on where you are riding, I rarely get a wave on the freeway, but usually get a wave anywhere else. Unless they are on a HD or sumo...

^ That.  About 95% of riders wave here.  The ones that don't are usually from out of town.

Ride on,

J~
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Throttle Chopper on 07/12/16 07:28PM
I'd say it's about 50-50 when riding along Santiago Canyon, most non-wavers are on Harley's/cruisers.  In town, I'd say waving is more frequent to the tune of 75% or so.  I'd wave on the freeway but the median tends to block the view  :26:, otherwise I'll let faster riders pass and usually receive a wave, and do the same when I'm passing.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: r0ckrat on 07/12/16 07:46PM
On the freeway it's also easy to miss an oncoming rider if you are paying attention to a possible traffic situation on your side.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Rogue on 07/12/16 07:49PM
I could be one of those a$$holes not waving.  I try to but sometimes I'm just too focused on my ride.  Going around a corner, I like to keep both hands on the bars.  The further away from the OC you are and the deeper you get into the countryside and the more waves you get. 

But out here in the OC, the wave is about less than 50% practiced, even by commuters.  I've seen commuters repeatedly and the same guys don't even look my way to acknowledge a wave even when we are sitting side by side.  Seriously.  There's a guy who rides a Monster at work and this dude is an asshole.  Always frowning, never waves, oh well.  He may as well be invisible as far as I'm concerned. 
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Parc Ferme on 07/12/16 07:53PM
once on pch i watched a friend almost plow into the back of a van that had stopped in traffic because he took his eyes of the road to wave at an oncoming rider.  after we pulled over and he cleaned his underwear i decided to shift more attention to the road.  haha even just now thinking about how close call it was and the look on his face when he took his helmet off cracks me up to this day
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: paul13131313 on 07/12/16 08:36PM
I only wave at police hiding out in wait and police helicopters.
I'm paying attention to the flow of 5,000 to 80,000 pound vehicles and also splitting lanes,every day..
I choose not to wave,speak or even glance over. Not trying to be rude while hearing "dude,hey dude,is that a GoPro,dude,hey dude!"
I'll happily say hello at gas station,bike night,Rock Store,etc.
The above post scenario is why.

If you come up behind me anywhere and see me pull over abruptly,motioning vigorously to pass,it's because I don't appreciate passing in my lane. DMV teaches me singe file and staggered motorcycle positioning. I'm not CHP and I don't know you!
Had a police officer exit the commuter lane on the 134 WB, just as it opened, in my lane at 20 mph faster than me and exit at Glendale Ave, years ago. I first thought he must have thought himself cute and then remembered all the motorcycles I passed the same way if not the same speed of course. I now pass fellow motorcyclists the next lane over.
Thank you for the venting of a personal rant.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: VFRCapt.Bob on 07/12/16 08:45PM
IMO it is the new generation who are keen to not be old mannish. My now 21 year old sons term. There is another culture of I am too cool to weenie wave. Want to be biker gang sport bike riderz. Some newbies are just clueless in general too busy being auper squids. Unless I am white knuckling lane splitting I wave to all bikers. Especially Harley bikers. I even got a full patch wearing Mongol to wave back in fact I think it made him remember why he rode motorcycles to begin with. Euro guys are starting to realize their bikes are as common as Japanese bikes and more of them may have just traded a Yamaha in for that new Tuono factory. We just have to keep doing things the biker way and eventually these newbs and clique snob or safety riders will catch on that it is an empowering gesture we share keep each other encouraged.
Even guys who piss me off get a wave although there may be some sarcastic exageration in it.
Ride safe stay calm and wave.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: mbstr on 07/12/16 09:58PM
Cool thread Mr Chicken hope all is well, Most the kncklfks never learned respect ( I blame the parents) you passed were afraid to take a hand off the bar being some kid at the Ducati dealer sold him a way over powered bike he couldn't handle........... Lets be careful out there its summer time and dealerships are offering crazy financing rates :36:
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Irvine_Chris on 07/12/16 11:09PM
I think the practice comes from an earlier time.  A time when you pretty much had to be a mechanic to ride and that drew us all together.

fudge I'm old!
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: breakdirt916 on 07/12/16 11:24PM
freeway, not really so much...around town, more yes

I can usually tell an excited noob from a frowny rider from a mile away...nods/waves to the noobs, ignore the frowners
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Scott on 07/13/16 12:38AM
I think a lot has to do with the time of year... It's squid season. So I guess I'm on board with the new generation theory.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Throttle Chopper on 07/13/16 08:40AM
I believe the term "new generation" might be confusing.  Sure it means riders under 25 years old, but let's not forget the lawyers and doctors who don their Harley gear and ride on weekends.  I feel many of those older, "new generation" riders are also guilty of not returning the wave. 

Maybe they're afraid they'll lose control of their hogs from all the unwanted vibrations...  ;D
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: OOTV on 07/13/16 09:44AM
"New generation" means exactly that, those "new" to riding regardless of age. I partially blame myself, I have not taken anyone under my wing and shown them what riding is all about. This is how I got into it, now the media and marketing are bringing people into motorcycling without providing any culture!

I half joke but Todd is a good example of what I'm talking about. His children, as well as himself, were raised on motorcycling, so his kids are new riders of the older generation.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: luciano136 on 07/13/16 09:56AM

People seem to wave at me for the most part.  Of course, the Daytona looks so sweet it's hard to miss  :32:
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: breakdirt916 on 07/13/16 05:35PM
If I have enough time I will wheelie instead of wave LOLOL

Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: breakdirt916 on 07/13/16 07:31PM
Rode home today...got a nod from a rider down bake and we split up to the 5...got 1 wave from freeway opposite direction...I gave drop waves to 2 guys that moved over for me

Loooove the new paving they did in bake Parkway
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: FlyingScotsman on 07/14/16 07:11AM
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Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: SUPERCHICKEN on 07/14/16 08:37AM
well for whats its worth, i will still wave.


chicken rides felicia
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Gone in 60 on 07/14/16 03:58PM
I commute through Santiago Canyon each day, and get about a 50% wave ratio, either responses to my wave or initiating a wave to me. Non-waivers are usually HD riders. I see a few guys each day, commuting in the opposite direction (red CBR 250, R1200GS to name a few) and we waive to each other. On my way home I usually see more bikes, probably on the way to Cooks. I also work in downtown L.A. on weekends, and although I get the odd waive from the other side of the 405 or 110, I'm usually too busy scanning drivers on my side of the road, especially if I see slowing traffic ahead.

My wife is sweet - since I ride, she is keen to watch for bikes on her commute, and always moves her car over. She loves to tell me how many riders give her a waive each day.

Funny, I live on the Orange side of Santiago Canyon, and remember my first venture outside of my immediate neighborhood into the canyon when I was a newb learning to ride. I thought it was cool that everyone coming the other way was waiving to me, but was bewildered why they were patting their helmets... was my headlight out, bike on fire, my fly open?... Went home and immediately looked up the meaning of different waves.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: luciano136 on 07/14/16 04:12PM
but was bewildered why they were patting their helmets...

I am still confused why people do this on the fwy when the cops are on their side of the road and there's a massive concrete divider in between??
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: r0ckrat on 07/14/16 04:19PM
but was bewildered why they were patting their helmets...

I am still confused why people do this on the fwy when the cops are on their side of the road and there's a massive concrete divider in between??

I only do it when there's a motocop AHEAD of the rider...
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Cass-anova on 07/14/16 04:23PM
the OC

"Don't call it that."
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: FalcoRider on 07/14/16 05:46PM
Stole this off the ADVRider site back in '06.

Top Ten Reasons Why Harley Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Afraid it will invalidate warranty.
9. Leather and studs make it too heavy to raise arm.
8. Refuse to wave to anyone whose bike is already paid for.
7. Afraid to let go of handlebars because they might vibrate off.
6. Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos.
5. Angry because just took out second mortgage to pay luxury tax on new Harley.
4. Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual and realized H-D is partially owned by Honda.
3. Can't tell if other riders are waving or just reaching to cover their ears like everyone else.
2. Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back, he impaled his hand on spiked helmet.
1. They're too tired from spending hours polishing all that chrome to lift their arms.

Top Ten Reasons Why Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or making an obscene gesture.
9. Afraid might get frostbite if hand is removed from heated grip.
8. Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it difficult to raise arm.
7. Reflection from etched windshield momentarily blinded him.
6. The espresso machine just finished.
5. Was actually asleep when other rider waved.
4. Was in a three-way conference call with stockbroker and accessories dealer.
3. Was distracted by odd shaped blip on radar screen.
2. Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, programmable CD player, seat temperature and satellite navigation system.
1. Couldn't find the "auto wave back" button on dashboard.

Top 10 Reasons Sportbikers Don't Wave:
10. They have not been riding long enough to know they're supposed to.
9. They're going too fast to have time enough to register the movement and respond.
8. You weren't wearing bright enough gear.
7. If they stick their arm out going that fast they'll rip it out of the socket.
6. They're too occupied with trying to get rid of their chicken strips.
5. They look way too cool with both hands on the bars or they don't want to unbalance themselves while standing on the tank.
4. Their skin tight-kevlar-ballistic-nylon-kangaroo-leather suits prevent any position other than fetal.
3. Raising an arm allows bugs into the armholes of their tank tops.
2. It's too hard to do one-handed stoppies.
1. They were too busy slipping their flip-flop back on.

Top Ten Reasons Why BMW Riders Don't Wave Back
10. New Aerostich suit too stiff to raise arm.
9. Removing a hand from the bars is considered "bad form."
8. Your bike isn't weird enough looking to justify acknowledgement.
7. Too sore from an 800-mile day on a stock "comfort" seat.
6. Too busy programming the GPS, monitoring radar, listening to ipod, XM, or talking on the cell phone.
5. He's an Iron Butt rider and you're not!.
4. Wires from Gerbings is too short.
3. You're not riding the "right kind" of BMW.
2. You haven't been properly introduced.
1. Afraid it will be misinterpreted as a friendly gesture.

Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: mbstr on 07/14/16 07:02PM
 
Stole this off the ADVRider site back in '06.

Top Ten Reasons Why Harley Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Afraid it will invalidate warranty.
9. Leather and studs make it too heavy to raise arm.
8. Refuse to wave to anyone whose bike is already paid for.
7. Afraid to let go of handlebars because they might vibrate off.
6. Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos.
5. Angry because just took out second mortgage to pay luxury tax on new Harley.
4. Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual and realized H-D is partially owned by Honda.
3. Can't tell if other riders are waving or just reaching to cover their ears like everyone else.
2. Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back, he impaled his hand on spiked helmet.
1. They're too tired from spending hours polishing all that chrome to lift their arms.

Top Ten Reasons Why Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or making an obscene gesture.
9. Afraid might get frostbite if hand is removed from heated grip.
8. Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it difficult to raise arm.
7. Reflection from etched windshield momentarily blinded him.
6. The espresso machine just finished.
5. Was actually asleep when other rider waved.
4. Was in a three-way conference call with stockbroker and accessories dealer.
3. Was distracted by odd shaped blip on radar screen.
2. Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, programmable CD player, seat temperature and satellite navigation system.
1. Couldn't find the "auto wave back" button on dashboard.

Top 10 Reasons Sportbikers Don't Wave:
10. They have not been riding long enough to know they're supposed to.
9. They're going too fast to have time enough to register the movement and respond.
8. You weren't wearing bright enough gear.
7. If they stick their arm out going that fast they'll rip it out of the socket.
6. They're too occupied with trying to get rid of their chicken strips.
5. They look way too cool with both hands on the bars or they don't want to unbalance themselves while standing on the tank.
4. Their skin tight-kevlar-ballistic-nylon-kangaroo-leather suits prevent any position other than fetal.
3. Raising an arm allows bugs into the armholes of their tank tops.
2. It's too hard to do one-handed stoppies.
1. They were too busy slipping their flip-flop back on.

Top Ten Reasons Why BMW Riders Don't Wave Back
10. New Aerostich suit too stiff to raise arm.
9. Removing a hand from the bars is considered "bad form."
8. Your bike isn't weird enough looking to justify acknowledgement.
7. Too sore from an 800-mile day on a stock "comfort" seat.
6. Too busy programming the GPS, monitoring radar, listening to ipod, XM, or talking on the cell phone.
5. He's an Iron Butt rider and you're not!.
4. Wires from Gerbings is too short.
3. You're not riding the "right kind" of BMW.
2. You haven't been properly introduced.
1. Afraid it will be misinterpreted as a friendly gesture.
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Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: harleyxlc on 07/14/16 07:06PM
People wave at me...maybe it's because I do have tits :)
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: motomeek on 07/14/16 10:26PM
Another things I've noticed is when I've been behind a few riders, many of them don't give a wave when cars make room for them.

Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: MurdaJ on 07/15/16 08:19AM
People wave at me...maybe it's because I do have tits :)

I'll wave to that  :32:
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: OOTV on 07/15/16 08:36AM
People wave at me...maybe it's because I do have tits :)
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Funny story, I was riding home on the 101 and as I pulled along side a pick up truck the female passenger flashed me! Now for that I'd take my eyes off the road, but only for a moment! Needless to say, they got a  :29: from me.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: 1fastrider on 07/15/16 11:09AM
I don't wave to cruiser riders. They're either accountants or gang members and I don't need that kind of trouble.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Reborn on 07/15/16 12:27PM
I don't wave to cruiser riders. They're either accountants or gang members and I don't need that kind of trouble.

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Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: SUPERCHICKEN on 07/15/16 04:38PM
Another things I've noticed is when I've been behind a few riders, many of them don't give a wave when cars make room for them.



i always wave at cars that give me room when splitting lanes, its a matter of respect, i think alot of the newcomer hipster rider crowd dont know what it is.

chicken
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: REPSOL on 07/15/16 04:49PM
I was riding down I believe Hwy 79, had a few Harley's in front of me (briefly) then a couple come from opposite direction, they wave at Harley Riders...........see's me  :17:, immediately stops waving and brings hand in.

I guess he knew I can't stand the sound of open Harley pipes  :52:.

Only sport bikes get  :30:

Forget the Hogs...............   
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: paul13131313 on 07/16/16 06:55PM
Another things I've noticed is when I've been behind a few riders, many of them don't give a wave when cars make room for them.


I head nod to most cars that move over as I'm splitting lanes. Sometimes things are moving to fast and if I miss one or two, I'll get them the next day.
Cars get very vigorous waves on ACH and all others,when they move over a little to let me (group) pass in the lane or use the turn out! I do not hesitate or skip this .
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Kevs Rex on 07/17/16 11:39AM
Back in  82 when I started street riding it was common for other sport riders on Japanese bikes to wave and other European bikes as well with the exception of Guy's on BMW'S. Beemer riders were almost always snobs on the road and snobs at Newcombs Ranch or when we camped on the infield at Laguna Seca. Harley riders pretty consistent over the years of not waving.  My .02.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: FlyingScotsman on 07/18/16 08:41AM
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Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: bkrochman on 07/18/16 04:04PM
Back in  82 when I started street riding it was common for other sport riders on Japanese bikes to wave and other European bikes as well with the exception of Guy's on BMW'S. Beemer riders were almost always snobs on the road and snobs at Newcombs Ranch or when we camped on the infield at Laguna Seca. Harley riders pretty consistent over the years of not waving.  My .02.

Every BMW rider I wave to from my R1200RT waves back! :)
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Kevs Rex on 07/18/16 10:41PM
Back in  82 when I started street riding it was common for other sport riders on Japanese bikes to wave and other European bikes as well with the exception of Guy's on BMW'S. Beemer riders were almost always snobs on the road and snobs at Newcombs Ranch or when we camped on the infield at Laguna Seca. Harley riders pretty consistent over the years of not waving.  My .02.

Every BMW rider I wave to from my R1200RT waves back! :)

Now I agree its changed I'm talking about my past experiences.😀
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: r0ckrat on 07/19/16 07:29AM
Back in  82 when I started street riding it was common for other sport riders on Japanese bikes to wave and other European bikes as well with the exception of Guy's on BMW'S. Beemer riders were almost always snobs on the road and snobs at Newcombs Ranch or when we camped on the infield at Laguna Seca. Harley riders pretty consistent over the years of not waving.  My .02.

Every BMW rider I wave to from my R1200RT waves back! :)

Now I agree its changed I'm talking about my past experiences.😀

bkrochman was being funny... He's on a BMW... ;)
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: anothervr6kid on 07/19/16 09:28AM
I read this tread last week and started riding again on Saturday after a couple years off a bike.  I realized I wave when I'm on the streets, but not on the freeway.  On the freeway I wave at cars if they make room or bikes that move out of my way.

Since this was fresh on my mind, I was keeping track of the waves.  Most sport bike riders wave and only about half of cruisers wave. 
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: motomeek on 07/20/16 03:48PM
Had a rider today that came up behind me, moved over and let him pass. Didn't give a head nod or peace sign.

Other than the duck feet, he kept an inconsistent speed only to speed up lane-splitting once he saw another rider in the lane, have them move over, then continue to ride at a slower speed. Next thing you know, we're a train of riders.

I'll give him one thing, he did notice a motocop and slowed down. Didn't give the helmet tap signal.

Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Kevs Rex on 07/20/16 09:55PM
Back in  82 when I started street riding it was common for other sport riders on Japanese bikes to wave and other European bikes as well with the exception of Guy's on BMW'S. Beemer riders were almost always snobs on the road and snobs at Newcombs Ranch or when we camped on the infield at Laguna Seca. Harley riders pretty consistent over the years of not waving.  My .02.

Every BMW rider I wave to from my R1200RT waves back! :)

Now I agree its changed I'm talking about my past experiences.😀

bkrochman was being funny... He's on a BMW... ;)

I know,hopefully nobody is offended just a personal observation.😀
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: anothervr6kid on 07/21/16 07:31AM
Didn't give the helmet tap signal.


I have not hear of this...  is this to tell riders there is a cop ahead?
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: r0ckrat on 07/21/16 08:48AM
Didn't give the helmet tap signal.


I have not hear of this...  is this to tell riders there is a cop ahead?

(http://www.laharleyriders.com/pictures/hand_signals.jpg)
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: r0ckrat on 07/21/16 08:49AM
And then there's the farce/comedy version...

(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p596/rojoracing53/F46F87F8-1ABA-4BD5-844F-38CE58293E53-404-0000003CC892150D_zps4f44f1a2.jpg)
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: bkrochman on 07/21/16 04:11PM
Back in  82 when I started street riding it was common for other sport riders on Japanese bikes to wave and other European bikes as well with the exception of Guy's on BMW'S. Beemer riders were almost always snobs on the road and snobs at Newcombs Ranch or when we camped on the infield at Laguna Seca. Harley riders pretty consistent over the years of not waving.  My .02.

Every BMW rider I wave to from my R1200RT waves back! :)

Now I agree its changed I'm talking about my past experiences.😀

bkrochman was being funny... He's on a BMW... ;)

I know,hopefully nobody is offended just a personal observation.😀

:)
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: 1fastrider on 07/21/16 07:34PM
I wave when I can and make more of an effort when cars/bikes/buses let me pass more easily.  I have noticed sport bike riders going the opposite direction on the freeway appear to wave but come on now.  At that kind of closing speed don't expect a return.
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: Scott on 07/22/16 07:53PM
I'm a waver. :30: I especially go out of my way to wave at cars that make room when I'm splitting, or if they let me by in the canyons. I figure the more the community does that, the more cars will move out of the way. After all, who doesn't want to get a wave from all the cool motorcycle guys! :30:
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: paul13131313 on 07/25/16 11:30AM
Do they have hand signals for aftermarket exhaust like hands covering ears or after market headlights as in hand shielding eyes or both arms crossed as in "it's blinding officer!"
Title: Re: what happened to the motorcycle community
Post by: FlyingScotsman on 07/26/16 08:12AM
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